Scott, OK its clear to me that You absolutely get it! But I was trying to avoid the confusion when talking about "velocity" on a nonphysical axis - the seeming conflicts and arguments I got early on caused me to write the thread in the verbose manner that I chose for the benefit of those less familiar. Once the lights come on and someone understands the relativistic concept of a shrinking time axis it does make an easier model to visualize. Your reference to the reverse Relativistic Twins analogy where the cavity twin corresponds to the less accelerated twin on earth was spot on because the cavity twin is negatively accelerated (equivalently)such that the "stationary twin" outside the cavity appears to be approaching luminal velocity relative to the negatively accelerated cavity twin inside. My biggest challenge here is to develop a mathematical relationship between the Casimir formula and energy density that would allow an equivalent acceleration suitable to accumulate into this new form of "equivalent" Lorentzian contraction. Some of the life after death scenarios suggest a very slow accumulation to this contraction point where the scale can then start to contract rapidly and produce these anomalous forms of mini hydrogen. If I am correct about this rapid form of contraction then these atoms are able to penetrate down into cavities hundreds of times smaller than the "spatial" size of the atoms themselves. The relativistic space time inside these cavities does have the Limits imposed by Liftshitz for how close these atoms can approach the plates generating the field but in this scenario that limit is never violated as the atoms continually shrink away from the walls of the cavitiy allowing more and more gas to occupy the same spatial volume without increasing pressure. Regards Fran
From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Relativistic-Cavity Twins Shrinking the time axis is the same thing as augmenting the spacial axes if we are defining distance as Velocity multiplied by time. Shrinking the time axis means that more local time is traversed, requiring more distance. This is the reverse of the Relativistic Twins: In this instance, the cavity "Twin" corresponds to the one that stays on Earth and vice versa! ________________________________ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:01:56 -0500 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rel Cav's: Shrink time axis inside Relativistic Cavities to get correct result! To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Scott, I like your model for the temporal aspect but I was choosing my words carefully to make my points as intelligible as possible to the most common denominator. I was also trying to make the point that there can be a larger volume of space inside the cavity then the exterior spatial dimensions would predict. IMHO Deuterium ice, condensed hydrogen and the myriad other names we apply are all unchanged locally but take on these strange appearances when they occupy this extended space inside a Casimir cavity or the interstitial space inside a lattice. I believe that when vacuum fluctuations "appear" to get smaller between Casimir plates it is NOT a simple displacement of the longer flux being replaced by shorter flux that can fit between the plates as described in the present popular version of this theory. In the relativistic interpretation it is still the same longer flux which only appear shorter in a form of Lorentzian contraction. I believe that this type of contraction reflects direct changes to the time axis where space time itself is reshaped inside the cavity. Unlike the normal Lorentzian contraction of a single dimension where you have spatial velocity in a Pythagorean relationship to the "normal" intersecting rate of the ether, this version of contraction instead directly changes the intersection rate of this nonphysical axis by manipulating energy density. Because the axis of displacement/contraction is now 90 degrees to all 3 spatial axis this type of contraction should appear spatially symmetrical and appear to get smaller from ANY spatial axis instead of the common Lorentzian contraction. The cost of this type of contraction is borne by nature in segregating energy density between the outside and inside of a plate cavity system in a manner that skips the need for near luminal velocity and instead changes time (intersecting rate) directly proportional to local geometry in different zones inside and outside the cavity. Regards Fran Wm. Scott Smith said on Thursday , January 27, 2011 1:13 PM I really think a better way to think about Relativistic Cavities is to think of the time-axis shrinking, relative to the also reduced size of they particle within the cavity. Shrinking the time axis, has the effect of accelerating the velocity of travel along that axis, ie the passage of time. This approach explains precisely how the H2 molecule "spends so much time there relative to us and spends so little time there from an external perspective. ________________________________