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Tem muitas pessoas honestas e inteligentes que ainda acreditam na
infabilidade das tecnologias.
Assessores de Chavez podem ter convencido ele de que esta é a solução
correta.
Pinochet não conta hoje se vangloriando e sorridente de que foi o
Partido Comunista Chileno que indicou ele a Alende para ser o seu
Ministro da Guerra?
Em cada três brasileiros que iam fazer treinamento em Cuba, um era
agente do SNI/CIA.
Na guerrilha de Caparaó tinha um agente da CIA colado com Brizola. Até
hoje ninguém sabe quem era ele mas seus relatórios estão lá nos
documentos da CIA liberados na Fundação Lindhon Jonhson.
Vocês estão subestimando o profissionalismo dos órgãos de informação e
contrainformação do Imperialismo.
F. Santana.
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From: Marcio C. Teixeira
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:15 AM
Subject: [VotoEletronico] Re: Fwd: e agora, Venezuela
Quem convencer?
Pelo que li foi o próprio governo que comprou as urnas.
Francisco José Santana wrote:
Interessante é que eu estava há muito tempo preocupado com a
possibilidade
de convencerem o goverrno venezuelano a usar urnas eletrônicas.
Se usar, Chávez já foi derrotado. Foi assim que conseguiram consolidar
o
golpe branco do Paraguai.
Não há como esse fórum alertar os governistas da Venezuela do perigo da
Urna
Eletrônica?
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From: "Amilcar Brunazo Filho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Michael Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sergio Luis dos Santos
Lima"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Marcelo Soares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 5:43 AM
Subject: [VotoEletronico] Fwd: e agora, Venezuela
Olá,
Vejam abaixo a notícia que saiu no NYTimes de 11/06 em:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/international/americas/11vene.html
sobre o uso das urnas-e no plebiscito para confirmação do presidente
Chavez
da Venezuela.
O Governo resolveu usar urnas-e sem voto impresso e com software
fechado
(no mesmo estilo das brasileiras). A oposição está reclamando.
Mas o que mais me chamou a atenção é o fato da OEA estar sendo
sugerida
pela oposição para monitorar as urnas-e. E os governistas repelem a
oferta!
A OEA tem sido responsável direta por levar a urna-e brasileira (sem
voto
conferido pelo eleitor e com parte do software fechado) para os demais
países latino-americanos.
Tem um "cheiro de incoerência" nesta história.
Obs: no mesmo dia saiu uma outra reportagem no NYTimes sobre o falso
dilema
usabilidadeXsegurança das urnas-e. Como tenho trocado algumas
mensagens
com
gente dos time dos "ergonômicos", vou comentar sobre isto daqui uns
dias,
quando voltar de viagem à Brasília. Esta outra reportagem está em:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11FRI1.html?th
Abraços,
Amilcar
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/international/americas/11vene.html
June 11, 2004
Venezuelan Recall Is in Dispute Even Before the Vote
By JUAN FORERO and JOHN SCHWARTZ
CARACAS, Venezuela, June 10 - Touch-screen voting machines, which have
been plagued by security and reliability concerns in the United
States,
will be used in the recall vote on President Hugo Chávez, prompting
his
foes and foreign diplomats to contend that the left-leaning government
may
use the equipment to manipulate the vote.
A new touch-screen system here, bought earlier this year by Mr.
Chávez's
government, uses voting machines made by the Smartmatic Corporation of
Boca Raton, Fla., and software produced by a related company, the
Bizta
Corporation, also of Florida. Neither company has experience in an
actual
election.
Furthermore, the Venezuelan government's electoral counci
l said it
would
not permit observers to run a simultaneous audit of the electronic
vote
counting during the Aug. 15 recall, as electoral experts in the United
States said is common practice.
"What is the dark reason for not doing this?" said Enrique Mendoza, an
opposition leader. "This is strange and not very transparent."
In the United States, the touch-screen machines that have appeared in
numerous states in recent years have had some technical glitches, and
have
been reviewed by security experts who found them lacking in safeguards
against hackers. That has led critics to argue the systems are less
secure
than the mechanical ones they replaced.
In April, California banned the use of 14,000 of the machines for this
November's presidential elections, while the state of Ohio issued a
report
that said electronic voting machines from the four biggest companies
in
the field have serious security flaws.
Earlier this week, the head of the United States Election Assistance
Commission said that voting machine companies should make the inner
workings of their software open to inspection by states that purchase
it.
One solution, electoral and computer experts say, is the use of manual
audits of the receipts the machines produce for every vote cast.
"That is the most normal thing in an electoral process, and that they
would deny it is absurd," said a diplomat in Caracas who has closely
monitored elections here and in other Latin countries. "What serious
electoral board would not permit an observation, as is done
everywhere?"
That is what the opposition has asked for here after the National
Electoral Council, the government's five-member electoral governing
board,
ruled on June 3 that Mr. Chávez's adversaries had collected enough
signatures to hold a referendum. The council this week said the
recall,
which would succeed if the opposition collects nearly 3.8 million
votes,
would take place Aug. 15.
Mr. Chávez's opponents have suggested that an independent observer
like
the Organization of American States or the Atlanta-based Carter
Center,
audit the signatures.
But the electoral council has opposed an audit, saying that as an
autonomous body it would tally the votes and ensure there is no fraud.
Some pro-Chávez members of the council, in fact, have suggested that
the
O.A.S. does not need to monitor the election, or that its role should
be
restricted.
Opposition leaders contend that three of the electoral council's five
members are partisan to the president, an opinion echoed by diplomats
in
Caracas.
Leaders of the Democratic Coordinator, an umbrella group of opposition
groups, had initially pushed for a manual count. But now the
opposition
says it simply wants to carry out an audit of a sampling of the votes,
perhaps on as few as 400 of the 12,000 machines that are to be used.
"We are not asking that they do an electoral count on all the
receipts,"
said Jesús Torrealba, an opposition leader. "What we're asking for is
a
statistical sampling."
The government has raised a host of questions since announcing earlier
this year that it was replacing voting machines made by a Spanish
firm,
Indra, with Smartmatic's equipment. The Miami Herald reported in May
that
the Venezuelan government had invested in Bizta, a new company that
makes
the software to be used in the machines.
Efforts to obtain comment from the National Electoral Council and the
Venezuelan Embassy in Washington were unsuccessful. Officials for
Smartmatic and Bizta referred calls to a spokeswoman, who did not
return
two phone calls.
Government officials have publicly said, however, there is no
impropriety
and played down the role of the government in Bizta's operations.
Jorge
Rodríguez, a council member who is considered a Chávez loyalist,
accused
critics of having "hidden interests."
But experts said that without independent oversight, voting machines
can
be easily tampered with.
Touch-screen voting machine
s bear similarities, but each company
designs
its machine in its own way, and the software varies widely from
company
to
company. Still, experts note that a review for the state of Ohio of
hardware and software used by the four largest vendors of touch-screen
voting machines found serious security flaws.
"A fully electronic computer can be programmed to produce whatever
outcome
the developers - or the people in charge of the developers - want it
to,"
said Aviel D. Rubin, a professor of computer science at Johns Hopkins
University.
Mr. Rubin led a team last year that performed the first rigorous
security
analysis of software used in machines by Diebold Election Systems, an
industry leader in the United States. "Anybody who was really
concerned
with a fair outcome would encourage as far an outside review of the
machines as possible," he said.
Glitches and tampering with voting machines has been seen before in
Latin
America, where there is a long history of stolen elections.
The government of then-President Alberto K. Fujimori stole the 2000
Peruvian presidential election. Days before, the O.A.S. examined the
software used in the machines and found technical problems that would
permit manipulation.
The Fujimori government, though, refused to make corrections, and the
O.A.S. abandoned the country before the election. The government was
later
accused of fraud in the election. Mr. Fujimori resigned soon after.
Mr. Rubin said it is crucial to ensure that the companies chosen to
supply
machines and software be experienced and have a proven track record,
particularly in an election as important as Venezuela's.
Juan Forero reported from Caracas for this article, and John Schwartz
from
New York.
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