Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread error
my question is -- how is this done? how does this URL: http://www.citibank.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/3/?IYTEw 4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT Ah but you see it doesn't! It brings up the last part after the @ sign. a3ksd.PiSeM.NeT/3/?IYTEw4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT An old dirty trick used by slashdot trolls. -- error

[vox-tech] CIPE anyone?

2003-09-25 Thread error
For those of you that are interested in CIPE, it looks like they are dropping the ball: http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-September/010864.html It's a shame I tell you. -- error [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Michael J Wenk
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:17:52AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 25 Sep 03, 10:46 AM, Rob Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 07:24:56AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i didn't know this. so, an URL is of the form: URL = user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread R. Douglas Barbieri
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:30:32AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.citibank.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/3/?IYTEw 4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT This has me flabbergasted. I bet this trick worked very well for the scammers. I mean, even though the email is amateurish, the web page looks totally legit. I

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread R. Douglas Barbieri
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:47:00AM -0700, R. Douglas Barbieri wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:30:32AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.citibank.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/3/?IYTEw 4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT This has me flabbergasted. I bet this trick worked very well for the scammers. I mean,

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Mitch Patenaude
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:30:32AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http:// www.citibank.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/3/ ?IYTEw 4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT Maybe a way for places like Citibank, Paypal and other fraud prone sites to help prevent this would be to check the referer, and if it's a strangely formed

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Michael J Wenk
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:23:11AM -0700, Mitch Patenaude wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:30:32AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http:// www.citibank.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/3/ ?IYTEw 4eVTtbH1w6CpDrT Maybe a way for places like Citibank, Paypal and other fraud prone sites to help

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Michael J Wenk
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:57:25AM -0700, Mark K. Kim wrote: I think what you've described is the URI. URL is supposed to be a subset of URI, whatever that means. I personally don't care but I wouldn't mind knowing what that means if anyone else knows. I referred to an RFC that desribes

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread David Margolis
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Rob Rogers wrote: Name CC# CCV (that 3 digit number at the end of the signature panel) Pin # Mother's maiden name. MSN Acct name MSN password Social security # My wife and I got some phone calls like this a few months ago. When they'd call, they'd say that they

RE: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Donald Childs
Has this been submitted to Citibank or the Sacramento Valley Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force ( http://www.sachitechcops.org/ )? -Donald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Larry Ozeran
Hi all - This is really interesting and really concerning. I would like to take selected parts of the discussion (for brevity and clarity) and send it to my local paper. Please indicate (offline is fine) if you would prefer to be named or kept anonymous. If you do not want your comments

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread p
On Thu 25 Sep 03, 12:09 PM, Donald Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Has this been submitted to Citibank or the it's been reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i've been toying around with reporting it to FBI since i'm fairly sure this WILL catch people, and it's not a silly pyramid scheme (remember

RE: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Donald Childs
i just need to look into who at the FBI gets this sort of stuff. I think the FBI is a participating member of the task force http://www.sachitechcops.org/agencies.htm Hopeful, Citibank folks who read the abuse email will move to protect their customers. -Original Message- From:

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Tim Riley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 25 Sep 03, 12:09 PM, Donald Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Has this been submitted to Citibank or the it's been reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The post on the dubious account/pin form gets transmitted to blades.netnation.com. I sent a message to Netnation

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Michael J Wenk
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:22:43PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 25 Sep 03, 12:09 PM, Donald Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Has this been submitted to Citibank or the it's been reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i've been toying around with reporting it to FBI since i'm fairly sure

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Ken Bloom
On 2003.09.25 07:46, Rob Rogers wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 07:24:56AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i didn't know this. so, an URL is of the form: URL = user:[EMAIL PROTECTED] where lowercase url is what i used to think of as being an url. and the user:password@ portion is optional.

RE: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Donald Childs
I thought the Secret Service for the most part was the group that investigated computer crime. Or am I behind the times? You're right. I remember the Bee doing a story in 09/2002 about the Secret Service Sacramento Branch investigating a variation on the Nigerian Banking scam. Trail of

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Rogers
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 13:58:13PM -0700, Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:33:08AM -0700, Michael J Wenk wrote: Also, guess it doesn't hurt to say that you should never have your PIN for online banking match the one for your ATM. Or if you're forced, be bloody sure that

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:45:04AM -0700, David Margolis wrote: My wife and I talked about how tragic it would be if an elderly person answered, or a mentally disabled person, or anybody else who otherwise might be a bit easier to take advantage of. They were very good at the scam. We just

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 02:52:48PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: I get about three or four nigerian scam messages per day, on average, at my personal email address. I got about 8 today. Since SoBIG died down, that's about ALL the vox* lists have been getting, so far as spam, lately. (I found

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Mark K. Kim
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Micah J. Cowan wrote: Do you know of banks that let you choose two different PINs, one for online, one for ATM? That'd be nice... Unionbank. Not really a PIN online - more like a password. I got rid of the online thing, though, 'cuz you pay for it and I didn't need it.

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Ken Bloom
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 01:58:13PM -0700, Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:33:08AM -0700, Michael J Wenk wrote: Also, guess it doesn't hurt to say that you should never have your PIN for online banking match the one for your ATM. Or if you're forced, be bloody sure that the

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:26:09PM -0700, Larry Ozeran wrote: If there is a preponderance of interest in seeing my summary, I'll post it back to this thread. Consider this my statement of preponderancing. ;) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL

[vox-tech] .ixi and .ai files

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Kendrick
Is anyone here familiar with .ixi or .ai files? The former seems to be recognized by both file and XV as a variation of the PCX format. Neither XV nor Gimp know how to open it. The latter (.ai) seems to be some kind of PDF file. GV barfs on it. XPDF loads it, but I don't trust it got

Re: [vox-tech] .ixi and .ai files

2003-09-25 Thread Gabriel Rosa
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:31:39PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: Is anyone here familiar with .ixi or .ai files? The former seems to be recognized by both file and XV as a variation of the PCX format. Neither XV nor Gimp know how to open it. The latter (.ai) seems to be some kind of PDF

Re: [vox-tech] .ixi and .ai files

2003-09-25 Thread Gabriel Rosa
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:36:32PM -0700, Gabriel Rosa wrote: .ai are Adobe Illustrator files. Dia and/or Sketch might have limited .ai support. No idea what .ixi is. Get on irc and ask Marianne :) and a google search later... http://www.icdatamaster.com/i.html -Gabe

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Wenk
On Thursday 25 September 2003 02:08 pm, Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:39AM -0700, Michael J Wenk wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:57:25AM -0700, Mark K. Kim wrote: I think what you've described is the URI. URL is supposed to be a subset of URI, whatever that means.

Re: [vox-tech] .ixi and .ai files

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:44:58PM -0700, Gabriel Rosa wrote: and a google search later... http://www.icdatamaster.com/i.html Hehe, thanks. I thought I'd have a hard time searching for such a short string, but I guess ya never know til you try. Of course, their explanation on that page is

Re: [vox-tech] one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Micah J. Cowan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:58:59PM -0700, Michael Wenk wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 02:08 pm, Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:39AM -0700, Michael J Wenk wrote: I referred to an RFC that desribes URIs, which I did at one time read(several years ago), or

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Mitch Patenaude
On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 11:23 US/Pacific, Rob Rogers wrote: I see a couple other problems with this idea too. First, this is the first phishing scheme I've seen that loaded the actual homepage. Most just steal their logos. Yes.. that was actually what got me thinking.. when image files are

Re: [vox-tech] .ixi and .ai files

2003-09-25 Thread Henry House
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:31:39PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: Is anyone here familiar with .ixi or .ai files? The *.ai files are from Adobe Illustrator, as some others pointed out. I'm not sure about recent versions of the Illustrator format, but those that I have seen were

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Rogers
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 20:00:51PM -0700, Mitch Patenaude wrote: On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 11:23 US/Pacific, Rob Rogers wrote: I see a couple other problems with this idea too. First, this is the first phishing scheme I've seen that loaded the actual homepage. Most just steal their logos.

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Ken Bloom
On 2003.09.25 21:53, Rob Rogers wrote: Again, I still had my previous emails in my head, and was continuing from there, making assumptions about things without specifying them. I believe we're talking about two very different things here. The only Hotmail exploits I've seen have had to

Re: [vox-tech] OT: one of the most pernicious spams i've ever seen.

2003-09-25 Thread Ken Bloom
On 2003.09.25 21:53, Rob Rogers wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 20:00:51PM -0700, Mitch Patenaude wrote: Sorry. I was thinking back to my earlier email where I was discussing encoding a domain name to look innocuous. Here was my example: