Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
Dear Greg, I've read your email. What's your solution? Best Regards, -jj On 4/8/05, Greg Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A colleague down in the States, whom I converted to Python two years > ago, sent me mail last night saying, "Well, we've decided to go with > Rails. Means learning a new

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Dave Warnock
Ian, One of the things I've been experimenting with in Paste is fully doctested tutorials. I'm optimistic about it I like what you have been doing with this. Looks a really good use of doctest But anyway, if documentation can be cumulative instead of temporary it makes a huge difference, and te

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Dave Warnock
Titus, Anyway, doomsday thoughts aside: we don't need new frameworks, or even new amalgamations of existing projects. I think we need to make the existing frameworks easier to use. Python Paste and WSGI in general will help with this by standardizing deployment, but we need more and better docume

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Ian Bicking
Titus Brown wrote: Anyway, doomsday thoughts aside: we don't need new frameworks, or even new amalgamations of existing projects. I think we need to make the existing frameworks easier to use. Python Paste and WSGI in general will help with this by standardizing deployment, but we need more and b

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Ian Bicking
Greg Wilson wrote: > > Greg Wilson wrote: > Well, here we all are, two weeks later... > Ian Bicking: > [Subway on Paste] > [Quixote on Paste] > [Adrian Holovaty's stuff on Paste] There's an old Chinese proverb (well, I was told it's Chinese): "If a hundred sages each tell you something differe

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Titus Brown
-> > Martijn Faassen: -> > One can hardly expect people to drop the frameworks they've invested a -> > lot in and all converge upon another one. You can't even expect Python -> > programmers to actually stop creating new frameworks. -> -> Expect? No. Ask? Yes. Believe that if they don't, they'l

[Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Greg Wilson
> > Greg Wilson wrote: > Well, here we all are, two weeks later... > Ian Bicking: > [Subway on Paste] > [Quixote on Paste] > [Adrian Holovaty's stuff on Paste] There's an old Chinese proverb (well, I was told it's Chinese): "If a hundred sages each tell you something different, the odds are that t

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Greg Wilson wrote: Well, here we all are, two weeks later, with no sign of convergence on a solution. I'm not sure whether a 'solution' is possible. Nathan Torkington's rave is typical hype in my mind. Hyping some other system might help, but I don't think the web-sig can organize such a thing.

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Ian Bicking
Greg Wilson wrote: Well, here we all are, two weeks later, with no sign of convergence on a solution. Well, Peter Hunt has code to run Subway on Paste, and is planning for the next release to be based on Paste. That will also make CherryPy available in Paste as a side effect. Mike Orr has be

[Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Greg Wilson
Well, here we all are, two weeks later, with no sign of convergence on a solution. The mailing list set up in the wake of Michelle Levesque's "PyWebOff" talk at PyCon seems to have gone quiet; meanwhile, even Nathan Torkington (of Perl Cookbook fame) is raving about Rails: Ruby on Rails is