Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Chris McDonough
I tried to think of this today in terms of creating a "deployment spec" but boy, it gets complicated if you want a lot of useful features out of it. I have about four or five pages of a straw man "deployment configuration" proposal, but it makes way too many assumptions. So I tried to boil the pr

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 03:28 AM 7/17/2005 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >Phillip J. Eby wrote: >>What I think you actually need is a way to create WSGI application >>objects with a "context" object. The "context" object would have a >>method like "get_service(name)", and if it didn't find the service, it >>would ask i

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 07:29 AM 7/17/2005 -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: >I'm a bit confused because one of the canonical examples of >how WSGI middleware is useful seems to be the example of implementing a >framework-agnostic sessioning service. And for that sessioning service >to be useful, your application has to b

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 03:16 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > This is what Paste does in configuration, like: > > middleware.extend([ > SessionMiddleware, IdentificationMiddleware, > AuthenticationMiddleware, ChallengeMiddleware]) > > This kind of middleware takes a single argument, which is

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On 17/07/2005, at 6:16 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> The pipeline itself isn't really late bound. For instance, if I was >> to >> create a WSGI middleware pipeline something like this: >> >>server <--> session <--> identification <--> authentication <--> >><--> challenge <--> application >>

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Bicking
Phillip J. Eby wrote: > At 01:57 PM 7/11/2005 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> Lately I've been thinking about the role of Paste and WSGI and whatnot. >> Much of what makes a Paste component Pastey is configuration; >> otherwise the bits are just independent pieces of middleware, WSGI >> applicati

Re: [Web-SIG] Standardized configuration

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Bicking
Chris McDonough wrote: >>Because middleware can't be introspected (generally), this makes things >>like configuration schemas very hard to implement. It all needs to be >>late-bound. > > > The pipeline itself isn't really late bound. For instance, if I was to > create a WSGI middleware pipeli