A standard file format for a website enables a wider tool
ecosystem to evolve: interactive shells, debuggers, test
runners, skel systems, configuration UIs.
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On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
What have you used global configuration data for?
It's often meant for configuration that applies to many
components. For instance, a debug value that applies widely (or
could also be applied locally). Or information
I'll summarize my recollections of a very useful discussion that
several of us had at PyCon 2007.
At PyCon, Chad Whitacre gathered a a number of us for an Open Space
discussion at PyCon to discuss how we might collaborate on common
infrastructure at below WSGI. As I understood this, this
For some time, Zope has used a daemon-management tool we wrote called
zdaemon:
http://www.python.org/pypi/zdaemon
Until late last year, I found this tool a bit difficult to use
because it was essentially undocumented. I was forced to learn
enough to mostly document it and have gained
Jim,
Thanks for the reply.
2. Do we want to reuse its configuration syntax.
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The configuration format used by Paste Deploy is a simple
standard format used by many many systems inside and outside
the Python community.
I'm not objecting to the general ini-style format (do I read
Anyway, I share this for your consideration. There are probably
better tools out there than zdaemon and supervisor2, but I'm not
aware of them. :) I'm curious what other people have found or use.
There's also monit:
http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/
chad
Jim,
I'll summarize my recollections of a very useful discussion
that several of us had at PyCon 2007.
Looks accurate to me, thanks.
- Ian will lead a server benchmark effort
Where by server, we mean core HTTP server library, yes?
My impression is that there isn't a lot of appetite
Jim Fulton wrote:
I believe, we're evaluating Paste Deploy at 2 levels:
1. Can we agree on a standard set of entry points so
that WSGI applications can be combined automatically?
I think Paste Deploy provides at least good start on this.
Yes, I think we can. And the ones in paste deploy are a
Sure, as long as Paste Deploy's config syntax is optional for
whatever-we're-building. :^)
Some of the pain and angst over choosing one solution to the WSGI
application composition problem could be treated by dividing the
composition process into (at least) three parts:
1. Configuration
Chad Whitacre wrote:
Anyway, I share this for your consideration. There are probably
better tools out there than zdaemon and supervisor2, but I'm not
aware of them. :) I'm curious what other people have found or use.
There's also monit:
http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/
I think
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
What have you used global configuration data for?
It's often meant for configuration that applies to many components.
For instance, a debug value that applies widely (or could also be
applied
Robert Brewer wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I believe, we're evaluating Paste Deploy at 2 levels:
1. Can we agree on a standard set of entry points so
that WSGI applications can be combined automatically?
I think Paste Deploy provides at least good start on this.
Yes, I think we can.
L.C. Rees wrote:
Sure, as long as Paste Deploy's config syntax is optional for
whatever-we're-building. :^)
Some of the pain and angst over choosing one solution to the WSGI
application composition problem could be treated by dividing the
composition process into (at least) three parts:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
What have you used global configuration data for?
It's often meant for configuration that applies to many components.
For instance, a debug value that applies widely (or could also be
applied
Jim Fulton wrote:
For some time, Zope has used a daemon-management tool
we wrote called zdaemon:
http://www.python.org/pypi/zdaemon
Ironically, this sort of tool isn't Python specific at all,
and the discussion highlighted some non-Python tools, notably
daemontools and runit, neither
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Ian,
Thanks for weighing in.
2. I'm not clear on how Paste Deploy's abstractions map to the
filesystem. What does my website root look like?
The way I have generally configured websites like this is like:
[composite:main]
use = egg:Paste#urlmap
/ = config:root.ini
Chad Whitacre wrote:
2. I'm not clear on how Paste Deploy's abstractions map to the
filesystem. What does my website root look like?
The way I have generally configured websites like this is like:
[composite:main]
use = egg:Paste#urlmap
/ = config:root.ini
/blog =
I don't think we should have any validation in the config format
(except for basic syntax, of course). Doing validation is just too
hard, and leads to a rather complex config framework. I think some
of the problems with ZConfig come back to this.
I didn't propose that validation be in
2. I'm not clear on how Paste Deploy's abstractions map to the
filesystem. What does my website root look like?
The way I have generally configured websites like this is like:
[composite:main]
use = egg:Paste#urlmap
/ = config:root.ini
/blog =
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