[Web-SIG] more moderators for Web-SIG list?

Anyone want to help moderate the Web-SIG list? Very low activity level. I'd just like to get some more people who can manipulate the levers. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubs

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI for Python 3

ing ABC that would allow us to define > our own. I think the most effective way to lobby here would be to provide the String ABC and an implementation of "encoded strings", i.e. strings with an internal representation that's a byte sequence in a particular encoding. Bill _

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI 2

nd urlencoded was that it was always Latin-1. You were supposed to use "multipart/form-data" for non-Latin-1 encodings. Long thread on www-talk circa 1994 about this. I think bytes are the safest way to go here. It would be nice if we could automagically detect the correct encoding, but the

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

Jim Fulton wrote: > I'm working on another project, bozo, to facilitate using bobo > resources in Zope and use Zope components with bobo applications. Good names, Jim. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www

Re: [Web-SIG] Python 3.0 and WSGI 1.0.

Alan Kennedy wrote: > Hi Bill, > > [Bill] > > I think the controlling reference here is RFC 3875. > > I think the controlling references are RFC 2616, RFC 2396 and RFC 3987. I see what you're saying, but it's darn near impossible, as a practical matter, to get a

Re: [Web-SIG] Python 3.0 and WSGI 1.0.

ith PATH_INFO set; I think it's obsolete usage (but pretty clearly a string). RFC 3875 says, "Similarly, treatment of non US-ASCII characters in the path is system-defined." QUERY_STRING -- should always be an ASCII string. May indeed encode non-Unicode strings or purely binary data

[Web-SIG] invalid http.cookiejar test?

ever wrote this was that it would succeed. Which is the correct expectation? Bill def test_url_encoding(self): # Try some URL encodings of the PATHs. # (the behaviour here has changed from libwww-perl) c = CookieJar(DefaultCookiePolicy(rfc2965=True)) interact_296

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

d various broken browsers, because I was trying to guess "common practice" and follow it. Until I actually read the RFCs and made the server follow them. Now that it does, almost all of those errors have gone away. So, my experience seems to differ from yours. Bill _

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

ords if a user agent sent text > in ISO-8859-x and didn't say it was doing so, then an > error should be raised when non-ASCII data is seen. Yep. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Uns

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

, though. But the default is ASCII. > If there is a problem in the decoding, the client is broken (or there is > a bug in the application). > So the correct response is Bad Request, IMHO. Yes, I think that's right. Bill ___ Web-SIG ma

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

; it should be used. Yes, I agree. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

x for it yet, because of the large number of badly implemented server frameworks that are out there. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

d Request in case of errors. It's clearly not safe to do so generally. If you do decide to do this, please tell me what framework you're building so that I can avoid it :-). Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

rding to RFC 2046, the default charset for "text/plain" is "US-ASCII". > Can you point me to the discussion on python-dev list? See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-July/081013.html and the subsequent conversation.

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

ctly decoded. Otherwise, you lose information that the app cannot recover. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] parsing of urlencoded data and Unicode

icted to ASCII values by the HTML 4.01 spec, multipart/form-data can contain arbitrary Unicode strings. In Python 3.x, strings are all Unicode. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: ht

[Web-SIG] some much-deferred admin of web-sig list...

I've just cleared the queue of admin tasks for the Web-SIG list, so don't be surprised to see some old messages appear... Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.

Re: [Web-SIG] Time a for JSON parser in the standard library?

> Is it time there was a JSON codec included in the python standard library? Great idea. In fact, I'd support including a whole ECMAscript interpreter module, much as we have XML parsers. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web S

Re: [Web-SIG] Dealing with urllib, urllib2, and urlparse

ote", "quote_plus", "unquote", and "unquote_plus" from urllib. Not sure how representative that is, but they should at least be preserved in urllib2. By the way, shouldn't the name "urllib" be used for "urllib2", if "urllib" is tos

Re: [Web-SIG] Removal of Cookie in Python 3.0 OK?

e Python, not improve it. Given that, I'd rather see what's in the stdlib be updated to best-of-breed, instead of the-first-thing-we-thought-of-in-1995, as all too much of it is. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: h

Re: [Web-SIG] reorg of web-related modules for Python 3K

any of these. We don't really have interfaces in Python. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] more work on httplib?

ats I'm still restricting myself to Python 2.3, so I haven't really looked at cookielib. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Web-SIG] more work on httplib?

ention the new SSL module. I found it irritating that I had to write all of this myself, instead of just pulling it from the standard library. Now that it's released, what's already in the standard library (that I just didn't know about :-)? A

[Web-SIG] reorg of web-related modules for Python 3K

oing into PEP 3108, so either join the stdlib-sig, or read the PEP, if you care about all this. Alexandre Vassalotti further proposes the following: > xmlrpclib -> xmlrpc.tools > SimpleXMLRPCServer -> xmlrpc.server > DocXMLRPCServer -> xmlrpc.server

Re: [Web-SIG] daemon tools

> For symmetry's sake in Windows a Python service manager could simply > use SCManager API under the hood (through win32all) to get the job done, > still keeping a consistent cross-platform modus operandi. That's what I do in UpLib. Works

[Web-SIG] cleaning up the standard library's Web support

Or should SimpleHTTPServer just be deleted altogether? Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI Components Mailing List

> I am happy to direct these conversations to > wherever folks want. Is this the place, after all? You bet! Let's keep things here, till folks complain. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/s

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI -- usable for other protocols?

27;d like to be able to use them together in a single address space. It sounds like you've worked out most of the issues with IMAP4, so I'll take a closer look. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/si

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI -- usable for other protocols?

for indexing and search, and has the ability to do auto-filtering on a per-user basis with either MH procmail scripts or a Python script that uses a particular API. I don't need an SMTP server, I don't need a Web interface to mail. If DivmodQuotient is anywher

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI -- usable for other protocols?

n requests very well. I figured I'd adapt Medusa for this, again; set up an HTTP handler and an IMAP handler. But I thought I'd check the wisdom of the crowd, first. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.o

[Web-SIG] WSGI -- usable for other protocols?

what WSGI-supporting environments will also support PyLucene (the limiting factor is that the GCJ runtime has to be linked in, and all threads must be GCJ threads). Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/si

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

> Perhaps this could go in Demo/wsgiref/? Perhaps both Ian's and Phillip's examples could go into Demo/wsgiref/? Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.pytho

Re: [Web-SIG] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

> It still looks like an application of WSGI, not part of a reference > implementation. It seems to me that canonical exemplars are part of what a "reference" implementation should include. Otherwise it would be a "standard" implementation, which is con

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

t. If anyone would like to help with that, send me mail.) Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] [Fwd: Summer of Code preparation]

or ILU. I often wish I had it around today for AJAX... Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] [Fwd: Summer of Code preparation]

on objects would be, as you say, a bare minimum. One way to this would be to translate the Javascript into Python, and use existing introspection hooks to watch the Python execute. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http:/

Re: [Web-SIG] [Fwd: Summer of Code preparation]

it's the flip side of Python in the browser. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

Nice list, Alan. I think you make a lot of sense here. Bill > [Alan Kennedy] > >>>Maybe we need a PEP > > [Bill Janssen] > >>Great idea! That's exactly what I thought when I organized this SIG a > >>couple of years ago. > > [Guido van Ross

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

> What would we be PEPing? Well, when we started, I made up a list of various things that seem to be missing in the standard library, like server-side support for SSL-encrypted socket connections. http://www.parc.com/janssen/web-sig/needed.html B

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

that automatically sync with the user's browser cookie repositories. I don't believe there's any support for server-side cookie handling either. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

(rationally ;-) and sort out all of the issues before we go ahead and > commit anything? Great idea! That's exactly what I thought when I organized this SIG a couple of years ago. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

ith this thinking. Non-production code shouldn't go into the stdlib; instead, Alan's proposed module should go onto some pedagogical website somewhere with appropriate tutorial documentation. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web

[Web-SIG] WSGI for Medusa?

If no one has done a WSGI implementation for Medusa, I think I'll take a shot at it this weekend... Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/we

Re: [Web-SIG] JavaScript libraries

>From the Python point of view, it might be interesting to have a Javascript (isn't it properly called ECMAscript?) interpreter that functions like one of the Python HTML parsers. That is, every time some javascript action happens, there's the opportunity to interpose some Pytho

[Web-SIG] WSGI for Medusa?

Anyone done a WSGI module for Medusa yet? Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

pure-Python, ready-to-use Python web app framework, called Medusa. No other installs necessary -- you don't have to get some database running unless you really want to. Works remarkably well; I've written a few app servers in it already. Perhaps your buddy is actually switching for so

Re: [Web-SIG] Pure Python HTML?

'm just interested, on this mailing list, in improving ways of helping Python-savvy engineers provide and use Web services. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

with me. I'm interested in improving the ability to do things *with Python*. And that doesn't (for me) mean switching to something else, no matter how many other people understand that "something else". Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing li

Re: [Web-SIG] Pure Python HTML?

dynamic_content['title'] = 'How to write a Web service' dynamic_content['author'] = 'Someone Good' request.reply(template % dynamic_content) Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://w

Re: [Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

x27;t want to write in some cumbersome and buggy XML format (which is what I'm guessing ZCML is) when I could be writing clean Python code. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mai

Re: [Web-SIG] A query for hosting providers

bprocesses. Wedges are extremely rare, and I have yet to see one caused by Python code. Bill ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com