Just to re-float some old ideas...

http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/99afdeb834f39d02/74f564e0fe130ec9?lnk=gst&q=formify#74f564e0fe130ec9

This approach was 'invented' to completely separate the view from any
helper funk that goes on in the controllers, thereby giving designers
(using just about any tool) the freedom to design their forms as they
wish given they comply with some naming conventions/id's.

On Jun 29, 4:55 pm, Peterle <newsv...@tiscali.it> wrote:
> I think I have understood:
> for a graphic-people point of view, it is normal  "opening" a html
> file with dreamweaver and change it. Graphic-guys here wanted,
> probably, "open" web2py files inside Dreamweaver, like a normal
> project of Dreamweaver,  to change his graphical aspect, only that.
>
> This is not easy to do with files taken from dynamic websites...
> then...
>
> --------------------
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, ceej <cjlaz...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
>
> > I would just like to say that, web2py is a python programming
> > framework not a designing one and it's a lot easier to use than most.
> > I can implement the greatest of design that any designer could dream
> > up with ease. I do not understand when you say "the html views could
> > perhaps bit more html and less python" because they are pure html/css
> > when rendered and using the html helpers you can add any ids/classes
> > you want which is what you need to integrate a design. (You can also
> > use any other python html template plugin out there with web2py like
> > genshi etc..).
>
> > I've also seen other threads where people are going on about jquery
> > and they want more integration/widgets for it etc... This is again
> > where I would like to say web2py is a python programming framework not
> > a javascript one. jQuery comes included yes but you can use any
> > javascript framework with web2py you want (I use extjs as well as
> > jquery), web2py has jquery included as I would like to call an example
> > and I think a lot of people get confused about that for some reason.
>
> > I feel if we stray to much from web2py being a "python programming
> > framework" we'll loose sight of what web2py was meant to be in the
> > first place which is an an "enterprise framework for agile development
> > of fast,  secure  and portable database-driven web-based applications.
> > Written and programmable in  Python".
>
> > P.S. Thank you again Massimo for starting such a great python
> > framework! :D
>
> > On Jun 29, 6:18 am, "Hans Donner" <hans.don...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > > fully agree with this.
> > > However, the html views could perhaps be a bit more html and less python 
> > > so most html  tools could be used to build them and without needing much 
> > > conversions. As indicated, how the java tapestry framework did this is 
> > > very nice and we could perhaps borrow some ideas from them.
>
> > > if youre less drag&drop and more source oriented, the current way is 
> > > perfect and easy to learn.
>
> > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > From: annet <annet.verm...@gmail.com>
> > > To: web2py Web Framework <web2py@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: 29/06/2009, 10:09:26
> > > Subject: [web2py:25222] Re: Web2py is not too designer friendly?
>
> > > I appreciate web2py as it is. In the past I worked with Adobe GoLive,
> > > NetBeans, JDeveloper and ADF and Filemaker. Beautiful software, I
> > > implemented use case after use case by simply dragging and dropping
> > > components and clicking my way through dialog boxes. However, the
> > > moment I wanted to adjust the generated code I was overwhelmed by the
> > > amount of code the software had generated in different files.
>
> > > Web2py is the first framework that allows me to implement my
> > > application the way I designed it, my lack of Python knowledge is the
> > > limit, not the framework. I love building my own views in html, css
> > > and js keeping structure, style and action separated, something none
> > > of these IDE's complied with.
>
> > > I hope web2py will stay as 'clean' as it is, and not become another
> > > 'NetBeansese' IDE.
>
> > > Annet.
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