For #5 what is the 'Real ORM' anyway? I have never found an ORM that did not have a way to insert sql-commands into it.
On 8/30/09, dlypka <dly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > #7 is possible. Just have to dig a little. > Plus it is not very necessary to do because now there is custom crud. > > As for #5: We should all be glad that web2py is not trying to be a > 'real ORM'. > The 'real ORM' concept has been proven to be a failure and was > obviously a silly idea from the very beginning. > > On Aug 29, 8:03 pm, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: >> For #1, I'd suggest you visit an entry I have in my (web2py-built) >> blog:http://www.julioflores.com/zblog/blog/view/20- web2py can very >> well be "debugged" real time, with variable scoping, stack data, >> breakpoints, etc, etc, literally as you would run a webapp in .Net >> (you just need to get the right tools).. >> >> Julio >> >> On Aug 29, 4:15 pm, Scott Hunter <shun...@nycap.rr.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > A colleague has lodged the following complaints about web2py, and I'd >> > like to run my responses by this group in order to correct/strengthen >> > those responses. >> >> > Complaint #1: No real-time debugging (i.e. proper step-debugging in a >> > real IDE) >> > Response #1: web2py, being a framework, does not include a full-blown >> > IDE, but it doesn't preclude your using your favorite IDE. >> >> > Complaint #2: No proper logging mechanism for modules. (Related: >> > web2py is pathetic at third-party module integration) >> > Response #2: Again, nothing in web2py precludes using python's logging >> > facility. (And I've had no problem getting it to play nice with PIL >> > and some other modules, so I'm not sure what the complaint is here.) >> >> > Complaint #3: Having to do strange things (like double-imports and >> > reloads) to pick up run-time changes in my module. (This may be where >> > the complaint about 3rd party modules comes from.) >> > Response #3: I believe the issue here is that there is a module which >> > is being developed/debugged, but changes to it aren't getting picked- >> > up without re-starting the application (or doing "strange things"). >> > Were the module being developed located inside web2py during >> > development, then I believe edits would get picked up immediately. >> >> > Complaint #4: web2py will not let me handle my own form, considering I >> > don't want to use web2py's ORM to talk to my data >> > Response #4: There is NOTHING in web2py the prevents you from using >> > your own form. >> >> > Complaint #5: It's not a real ORM, because there is entirely 'zero' >> > configuration like a real ORM has. It's a database-to-HTML-form >> > management system, not an object-relational management system. >> > Response #5: White it has features to facilitate HTML form management, >> > it certainly seems to map records to objects... >> >> > Complant #6: web2py will only let you process a web2py form if it was >> > created in the controller >> > Response #6: while a from OBJECT must be created in the controller, >> > the actual form need not be. >> >> > Complaint #7: web2py won't let me loop over keys in their custom dict >> > () structure (called Storage) in order to circumvent the FORM and >> > SQLFORM issues in #5 above >> > Response #7: ? >> >> > Any help would be appreciated. >> >> > - Scott > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Mico Siahaan --- Email: mico.siah...@gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
