That makes two of us. But we do have another language in common.
On Oct 23, 9:40 am, Doxaliber <salingro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, my english is really bad. :-/
>
> On 23 Ott, 16:37, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> > I should doubly apologize because I have incorrectly interpreted the
> > tone of your email.
> > I really appreciate your advice on this matter.
>
> > Massimo
>
> > On Oct 23, 9:28 am, Doxaliber <salingro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Anyway, you do not need to like me to like web2py and vice versa. "
>
> > > Let me clarify that I have absolutely no problem with you, I just
> > > wanted to "tell" the impression that an external user may have reading
> > > some discussions through some forum. I've expressed those critics
> > > because I think that web2py is an excellent project and I think that
> > > a potential new user that is looking for informations that stumbles
> > > onto these "flames" can obtain a false impression that "slow down" the
> > > spread of web2py.
>
> > > The fact that I bought your book and I have decided to write those
> > > criticisms on web2py users group is the clearest demonstration that I
> > > am really convinced of the quality of web2py. If I thought that your
> > > words where just "spam" I would not be here right now.
> > > I think web2py should be promoted in other ways and I assure you that
> > > personally, when I'll have more confidence with this framework, I will
> > > write an article (in Italian) on my blog.
>
> > > For the other "concerns" I would love to see implemented in web2py the
> > > features of Django admin interface specified at point 2, I hope yuo
> > > will implement some of those feature in future versions of web2py,
> > > this is the reason why I've explained it. :-)
>
> > > Thank you.
>
> > > On 23 Ott, 16:05, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > I agree with everything you say except one.
>
> > > > I do not act like a spammer (defined as someone who sends unsolicited
> > > > bulk messages). I just respond to every post online mentioning web2py
> > > > and to posts asking generic information about Python Web Frameworks,
> > > > in particular to correct false statements made by other people. When I
> > > > made an incorrect statement (and I have) I have corrected it and
> > > > apologized publicly for it.
>
> > > > In this process I have learned that some users of other frameworks are
> > > > sensitive people and do not like comparisons (this is how you do it in
> > > > XXX and this is how you do in YYY). In the academic environment this
> > > > kind of comparisons are normal and welcomed. This is something I have
> > > > done (and you have done it too in your post, right?), that has caused
> > > > some irritation and disproportionate retaliation and more spreading of
> > > > false rumors. I try not do this anymore because I like and respect
> > > > those other frameworks as I like and respect their users, and I do not
> > > > want to have them against me or web2py.
>
> > > > So, since you asked, I apologize to you again.
>
> > > > Anyway, you do not need to like me to like web2py and vice versa.
>
> > > > I am happy to have you here and we will be happy to answer any
> > > > question you may have.
>
> > > > Massimo
>
> > > > On Oct 23, 5:02 am, Doxaliber <salingro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello everybody,
>
> > > > > yesterday I've bought on Lulu the Book on web2py. I've a good
> > > > > experience with Django and I want to share my first impressions on
> > > > > Web2py that, I think, have some positives and some negatives respect
> > > > > to Django.
>
> > > > > The cons:
> > > > > 1) ORM maybe it's more powerful than the Django one but it's less
> > > > > immediate. For example:
>
> > > > > class Author(models.Model):
> > > > > first_name = models.CharField(max_length=30)
> > > > > last_name = models.CharField(max_length=40)
>
> > > > > class Book(models.Model):
> > > > > title = models.CharField(max_length=100)
> > > > > authors = models.ManyToManyField(Author)
> > > > > publisher = models.ForeignKey(Publisher)
> > > > > publication_date = models.DateField()
>
> > > > > is easier to understand and to remember than the web2py version. Also
> > > > > relationships on Django are more easier to remember.
>
> > > > > 2) Django admin interface is more powerful. I think that it can be
> > > > > used on production environments (and it is!) and it is more
> > > > > customizable than the web2py one. Django interface have also a goodies
> > > > > that I think is really useful: when you have a form with a select from
> > > > > a foreignkey there is a link (with a plus) that allows the user to add
> > > > > an element to the related table! I also like the design of forms that
> > > > > belongs on many to many relationships. I also think that overall
> > > > > design of admin interface is more beautiful than web2py admin
> > > > > interface.http://graffletopia.com/images/previews/362/original.jpg
>
> > > > > 3) Documentation: Django have great documentation! The Django book is
> > > > > fantastic and it's free. Web2py documentation is poor. I've bought the
> > > > > web2py book for desperation and mine seems more an act of faith than a
> > > > > reasoned choice! :-D
>
> > > > > 4) Massimo Di Pierro sometimes act like a spammer! :-D Some time ago I
> > > > > was searching informations about web2py, some review, some points of
> > > > > view. Well, everywhere there was Massimo Di Pierro saying how good is
> > > > > his framework! I think this attitude makes a bad impression to those
> > > > > who want to try to use web2py. I hope that Di Pierro will apologize me
> > > > > for this, mine are just observations made for good purposes.
>
> > > > > The cons (for now!):
> > > > > 1) SQLFORM
> > > > > 2) CRUD
> > > > > 3) AUTH system
>
> > > > > That's all for now. I hope that the criticisms set out here can help
> > > > > improve web2py. I apologize in advance for my bad English.
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