Well, I had to use Google Translate, so not sure I got everything, but here
are a few thoughts:
- Sounds like he used web2py quite a long time ago, before the DAL was
re-written, and before countless other improvements, so this is not really
a criticism of the current web2py.
- web2
António Ramos wrote:
> a person just wrote this about web2py in a portuguese forum
> Anyone care to coment?
I recognize the language from about 1/4 of the spam I receive.
> Some further reading:
http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-of-web2py-over-Django
Really good summary!
Hi,
Other than trying to start a flame war, I don't see reasons for bringing my
comment from the portuguese python group to here.
Anyway, since Anthony cared to comment I'll also comment.
- I'm glad DAL was re-written. When I left web2py it was a mess and there
were many objections to touching
First, welcome, and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
> Other than trying to start a flame war, I don't see reasons for bringing
> my comment from the portuguese python group to here.
>
I don't think anyone was trying to start a flame war. I assume he was just
seeking clarifi
Dear Tiago,
No problem at all. All comments can help us improve and or give us an
opportunity for clarification.
On Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:04:14 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Other than trying to start a flame war, I don't see reasons for bringing
> my comment from the portuguese pyt
On Fri, 4 May 2012 16:18:02 -0300
Mariano Reingart
wrote:
Hello Mariano,
> Also, please note that the relational model (and so the DAL) has a
> "mathematical" formal theory behind (relational algebra and database
> normalization) with a industry standard query language (ANSI SQL,
> worldwide rec
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
wrote:
> Dear Tiago,
>
> No problem at all. All comments can help us improve and or give us an
> opportunity for clarification.
>
>
> On Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:04:14 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Other than trying to start a flame w
Hi,
The issue about dal/orm, like Anthony said, there are tradeoffs to
consider. In my opinion you loose too much not having an orm to gain very
little with the dal. Let me continue my example.
In the Deparment/Teacher hypothetical model, you also have assignment of
Teachers to Departments. This
On Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:23:34 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The issue about dal/orm, like Anthony said, there are tradeoffs to
> consider. In my opinion you loose too much not having an orm to gain very
> little with the dal. Let me continue my example.
> In the Deparment/Teacher hypot
I take this as opportunity to compliment the DAL.
I have never seen clever way to manipulate data in a relational database.
I am actually addicted to the way it works. I wish could work with
web2py as my primary job.
2012/5/5 Massimo Di Pierro :
> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:23:34 UTC-5, Tiago Alme
Thanks for the comment. This is an interesting debate.
Sábado, 5 de Maio de 2012 17:13:07 UTC+1, Massimo Di Pierro escreveu:
>
> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:23:34 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> The issue about dal/orm, like Anthony said, there are tradeoffs to
>> consider. In my opinion
On Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:51:22 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comment. This is an interesting debate.
>
> Sábado, 5 de Maio de 2012 17:13:07 UTC+1, Massimo Di Pierro escreveu:
>>
>> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:23:34 UTC-5, Tiago Almeida wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> The issue about dal/
I do not see nothing in web2py that stops a developer from using a
third party ORM.
Not a common pattern in web2py, because DAL functional approach gives
addiction: you forget the COO (Class Object Oriented) and stick to the
true semantic of python which is full OO. COO is typical of many
static l
I had to write because you talked about the built-in editor of web2py AND
we have to be fair with this tool that is basicaly my only tool when it
comes to maintaining a server on a remote production site, I would say, on
most deployments this editor is the only tool that we've got to be able to
mai
Don't know why one does not use an oodbms. I've never used one. Are there
any serious alternatives to current rdbms?
Regarding the editor and editing in production. I was expecting that
argument and think that shouldn't be done unless its some extreme
emergency. One should not put code in producti
2012/5/5 Tiago Almeida :
> Don't know why one does not use an oodbms. I've never used one. Are there
> any serious alternatives to current rdbms?
>
Two of them are quite good albeit complex.
http://www.db4o.com/?src=ODBMS-sidebar
http://www.eyedb.org/
But there is a problem with those they impleme
I must agree to good practices but that does not mean I cannot deploy
tested code using the built-in editor.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Tiago Almeida wrote:
> Don't know why one does not use an oodbms. I've never used one. Are there
> any serious alternatives to current rdbms?
>
> Regarding
I think we all agree that the built in editor if definitively useful. It
does not substitute a normal editor for production quality development, but
there are many occasions when it is useful: quick and dirty fixes, editing
code when there is no ssh access, editing configuration options, etc.
A
That would be a cool feature..1 click deployment of code pulled from a
repository.
Regards
On May 5, 2012 11:19 PM, "Massimo Di Pierro"
wrote:
> I think we all agree that the built in editor if definitively useful. It
> does not substitute a normal editor for production quality development, but
>
> Regarding the editor and editing in production. I was expecting that
> argument and think that shouldn't be done unless its some extreme
> emergency.
>
OK, so let's say it's there for extreme emergencies. Also, maybe you need
to make a quick fix on your "staging" server. There are other ti
>
> The dal exposes more details therefore allows you to do more. However, by
> exposing all these details, you get a tool that is harder to use (in the
> sense that you have to repeat yourself) for all the other scenarios where
> you don't need such details.
>
But what are examples where you
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