Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Jake wrote: > I would say that is a really bad attitude on Apple's part. Effectively > telling someone to "shut up" is just bad stewardship. Input from the > community should be welcomed, because you never know when that person you > chastise might want to become

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Jake
I would say that is a really bad attitude on Apple's part. Effectively telling someone to "shut up" is just bad stewardship. Input from the community should be welcomed, because you never know when that person you chastise might want to become a contributor. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Adel

Re: [webkit-dev] Fwd: Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 05:40:33PM -0700, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jon Rimmer wrote: > > > > > > > > As well as being in Chrome, custom property support is also being > > > developed by Mozilla[4]. It is an act

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Darin Adler
On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: > This seems rather subjective criteria. Yes, that’s right, the criteria for becoming a reviewer is subjective, and should remain so. -- Darin ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org htt

Re: [webkit-dev] Fwd: Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote: > > I am willing to consider if it is practical for me to volunteer to > maintain CSS > variables for the webkit project. I'll need a week to make an informed > decision, > because I already have a full plate. But I am very interested in webkit,

Re: [webkit-dev] Fwd: Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Karen Shaeffer
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 05:40:33PM -0700, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jon Rimmer wrote: > > > > > As well as being in Chrome, custom property support is also being > > developed by Mozilla[4]. It is an actively edited W3C spec that is expected > > to reach Last Call stat

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Glenn Adams
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Benjamin Poulain wrote: > I don't really see the big deal with revoking reviewer rights. If you come > back to the project, make a few good patches and show a good understanding > of the code base, you just get the rights back. > This seems rather subjective criter

[webkit-dev] Buildsystem cleanup

2013-04-07 Thread Patrick Gansterer
Hi, since the Chromium code is getting removed step by step I think that the GYP build system won't have a shiny future in the WebKit repository. In the GYP vs. CMake match CMake gets an additional point: There is no WebKit port working with GYP, but at least 3 with CMake. Accordantly to [1] GT

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Jon Rimmer
On 8 April 2013 02:30, Adele Peterson wrote: > I respectively request that you let WebKit contributors continue this thread > without further discussion on these points. While these issues may be > interesting to you, it is not appropriate for you to insert yourself into > this discussion and

Re: [webkit-dev] Unmaintained feature list

2013-04-07 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Dirk Schulze wrote: > The recent request from Andreas to remove CSS Variables leads to the > question if there are more features that are not maintained at the moment. > > I think it would be honest and transparent if we collect all features that > are not maintain

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Adele Peterson
I respectively request that you let WebKit contributors continue this thread without further discussion on these points. While these issues may be interesting to you, it is not appropriate for you to insert yourself into this discussion and expect WebKit contributors to explain themselves to yo

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Jon Rimmer
On 8 April 2013 01:36, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jon Rimmer wrote: > > I definitely see a value in keeping the feature. However, there is a > practical problem of someone having to maintain the code. Now that all > contributors who have previously worked on this feat

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Dirk Schulze wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Benjamin Poulain wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Timothy Hatcher > wrote: > > I think 6 months is fine for deactivating SVN accounts. And a full > revoke of reviewer status after 2 years of no activity

[webkit-dev] Unmaintained feature list

2013-04-07 Thread Dirk Schulze
Hi WebKit, The recent request from Andreas to remove CSS Variables leads to the question if there are more features that are not maintained at the moment. I think it would be honest and transparent if we collect all features that are not maintained at the moment in a Wiki page. This would give

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Dirk Schulze
On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Benjamin Poulain wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Timothy Hatcher wrote: > I think 6 months is fine for deactivating SVN accounts. And a full revoke of > reviewer status after 2 years of no activity sounds reasonable to me. We > could make it easier to get

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Timothy Hatcher wrote: > I think 6 months is fine for deactivating SVN accounts. And a full revoke > of reviewer status after 2 years of no activity sounds reasonable to me. We > could make it easier to get reviewer status again after a 2 year sunset if > the perso

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Timothy Hatcher
I think 6 months is fine for deactivating SVN accounts. And a full revoke of reviewer status after 2 years of no activity sounds reasonable to me. We could make it easier to get reviewer status again after a 2 year sunset if the person becomes active again and shows good judgment still. — Timot

[webkit-dev] Fwd: Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jon Rimmer wrote: > The debate over the syntax of "CSS variables" is long and storied, and is > marked by misused terminology and misunderstanding in general. Most > objections from developers stem from a preference for a $foo style syntax, > as used in the SASS pr

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Jon Rimmer
On 8 April 2013 00:54, Geoffrey Garen wrote: > > This conversation will be more productive if we base it on fact, and not > commonly repeated narrative. A fact about an opinion is still a fact, and the opinion that Google were dragging the project along is real. That removing features instead of

Re: [webkit-dev] Sunsetting committership and reviewership

2013-04-07 Thread Gyuyoung Kim
+1 IMO, as Dirk suggested, the deactivation of the account is more reasonable unless the reviewership or committership is revoked, Gyuyoung On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Dirk Schulze wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 12:00 AM, "Ryosuke Niwa" wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4,

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Geoffrey Garen
> As a web developer, I'm very disappointed to see this feature removed. I > would prefer it to be enabled in Safari and maintained by the remaining > WebKit contributors. Especially now, removing a feature like this sends an > unfortunate signal about your intentions for the project and your co

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Jon Rimmer
I was asked to provide feedback via the mailing-list and not the bug, so here goes. As a web developer, I'm very disappointed to see this feature removed. I would prefer it to be enabled in Safari and maintained by the remaining WebKit contributors. Especially now, removing a feature like this sen

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Andreas Kling
On Sun 2013-04-07, at 9:19 PM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Andreas Kling wrote: > I'd like to remove the CSS variable feature from the tree now that Chromium > has left, as they were the only ones shipping it AFAIK. > > If we were to keep the feature, my only concern

[webkit-dev] Fwd: Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Andreas Kling wrote: > I'd like to remove the CSS variable feature from the tree now that > Chromium has left, as they were the only ones shipping it AFAIK. > If we were to keep the feature, my only concern will be that someone needs to maintain this code. Is any

Re: [webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Alan Stearns
Andreas, Don't take the ranking in that poll as an indicator. There's no way to compare interest in Variables against the other specifications, as it was omitted from the original poll and the only data points are from write-ins. That's what the gray styling means in the page you linked. I have n

[webkit-dev] Feature removal: CSS variables

2013-04-07 Thread Andreas Kling
Hi WebKittens! I'd like to remove the CSS variable feature from the tree now that Chromium has left, as they were the only ones shipping it AFAIK. The feature is awkwardly implemented, the syntax has not been well received by web developers, and in the CSS WG priorities poll[1] last October, the