Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-10 Thread Ojan Vafai
Heh. There's clearly still a good deal of confusion about what the intended behavior here is. Well, I'm confused anyways. :) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:32 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Ojan Vafai wrote: How is [ DOMAttributeChangeRequestEvent ] any different than DOMAttrModified? The

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-10 Thread James Craig
On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Ojan Vafai wrote: Heh. There's clearly still a good deal of confusion about what the intended behavior here is. Well, I'm confused anyways. :) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:32 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Ojan Vafai wrote: How is [

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-05 Thread James Robinson
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:32 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Ojan Vafai wrote: How is [ DOMAttributeChangeRequestEvent ] any different than DOMAttrModified? The spec claims it doesn't have the problems that DOMAttrModified has, but I don't see how that's the case. DOMAttrModified

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-05 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:40 PM, James Robinson jam...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:32 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Ojan Vafai wrote: How is [ DOMAttributeChangeRequestEvent ] any different than DOMAttrModified? The spec claims it doesn't have the problems that

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-04 Thread Ojan Vafai
I don't think calling these Request events fits with the rest of the web platform. Essentially, these are events that fire before some action occurs and gives the web developer the opportunity to cancel that action. The precedence in web events is to call those before* events. So, instead of

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-02 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Chris Fleizach cfleiz...@apple.com wrote: You reviewed- the first pass at an implementation of this proposal Sorry for not responding sooner. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47301 but haven't responded to this thread. Do you have any other

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-02 Thread James Craig
On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Ojan Vafai wrote: On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:57 PM, James Craig wrote: James Craig responded: The main difference seems to be that our Undo and Redo *request* allows the web application to determine what (if anything) should be undone, or redone, where the HTML5

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-11-01 Thread Chris Fleizach
Hi Ojan, You reviewed- the first pass at an implementation of this proposal https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47301 but haven't responded to this thread. Do you have any other objections. On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:57 PM, James Craig wrote: Sorry for the delayed response, Tony. My answers

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-10-27 Thread James Craig
Sorry for the delayed response, Tony. My answers inline. On Sep 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Tony Chang wrote: I'm curious what elements the UIRequestEvents apply to. Does it fire at the document level or does it fire for specific elements like textareas? Focused element (or AX-focused element)

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread Mike Marchywka
From: cfleiz...@apple.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:34:07 -0700 To: webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org CC: jcr...@apple.com Subject: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications Hello WebKit, James and I

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread Tony Chang
Hi Chris, I'm curious what elements the UIRequestEvents apply to. Does it fire at the document level or does it fire for specific elements like textareas? The addition of undo/redo is similar to the proposal to add this to the textInput event. There was some discussion of that here:

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread Adam Barth
Sorry for not reading the document in detail, but are these events fired synchronously or asynchronously? Adam On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chris Fleizach cfleiz...@apple.com wrote: Hello WebKit, James and I have been working on a W3C proposal to address some shortcomings we've noticed

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread James Craig
On Sep 3, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Adam Barth wrote: Sorry for not reading the document in detail, but are these events fired synchronously or asynchronously? Since it's all client-side communication between the web app and local user agent, I don't have a preference. Chris may. Do you?

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread James Craig
On Sep 3, 2010, at 5:25 AM, Mike Marchywka wrote: Certainly an ability to zoom text is well known, but a text to speech facility or re-rendering from web author's original intent ( text to audio conversion) could be of general interest. [ I guess this also motivates another general rant I

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: On Sep 3, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Adam Barth wrote: Sorry for not reading the document in detail, but are these events fired synchronously or asynchronously? Since it's all client-side communication between the web app and local

Re: [webkit-dev] W3C Proposal: User Interface Independence for Accessible Rich Internet Applications

2010-09-03 Thread chris fleizach
Nothing I'm aware of would cause this to be synchronous. Thanks for pointing it out. It's definitely worth mentioning this fact in the proposal On Sep 3, 2010, at 4:56 PM, James Craig wrote: On Sep 3, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Adam Barth