Groovy supports a form of rapid swing ui prototyping using their
SwingBuilder interface. You could possibly use this as an
alternative. There is also a GroovySWT library that works in a
similar fashion.
On 14/05/2007, at 4:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
On May 9, 2007, at 4:36 PM, David
On May 9, 2007, at 4:36 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
But, with all that said, note I said "quickly mock-up and
prototype". D2JC is a great tool to make sure my model is valid and
that the entities and relationships, delete-rules, and optionality
I thought were proper on paper, actually wor
Ashley,
I hate to break it to you, but along with the deprecation of the
Xcode based tools, comes the deprecation of D2JC (and also non-
direct to Java Client as well).
Again as mentioned in some previous posts, this was pure conjecture.
It's really unclear whether or not this is true, an
Hi All,
On 09/05/2007, at 9:14 AM, Robert Walker wrote:
At least that's my understanding. I could be wrong about that.
But, I'm pretty certain that being able to create Java Client
applications with custom interfaces using Interface Builder has no
future.
I believe David (correct me i
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/WebObjects/
DesktopApplications/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30001017
states that the nib files are translated directly to Swing by WO.
So it sounds to me like WO parses the nib file and determines how
to build the Swing interface. Since you aren'
David,
Come to think of it, maybe it's just the Xcode Project templates that
will no exist in future versions of Xcode. Maybe the underlying
technologies will still work, but they are not being actively
developed. Which, I guess, is no huge deal since they haven't been
enhanced in years
I can't find anywhere where anything talks about Direct-To or Non-
Direct Java Client being depreciated. But I can't find anything that
says otherwise either.
I don't believe that the Java-Cocoa bridge (which, if I understand
correctly, is what was depreciated and therefore all of the Apple
David,
I hate to break it to you, but along with the deprecation of the
Xcode based tools, comes the deprecation of D2JC (and also non-direct
to Java Client as well).
At least that's my understanding. I could be wrong about that. But,
I'm pretty certain that being able to create Java Cl
The whole point of _my_ use of Xcode and especially D2JC is that it
is nearly zero work to quickly mock-up and prototype object model and
have it as a running application (D2JC) in a mater of seconds with no
configuration of the development environment. It either Just Works™
or I have a pro
On 2007.05.08 20:55, somebody called Mike Schrag ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
bingled this:
>> I'm guessing that no-one who hates the all-in-one approach has also
>> tried the Eclipse 3.3 releases?
> Note that WOLips does not yet support 3.3 ... The bindings API was
> not finalized in 3.2, and Entity Model
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this:
The Java based WO Tools are dead (EOModeler, WOBuilder), but the
Xcode based WO Tools will continue to exist and get enhancements as
the pertain to Xcode in general (XCDataModeler, JAM/ANT based project
support in Xcode).
Based upon t
I'm guessing that no-one who hates the all-in-one approach has also
tried
the Eclipse 3.3 releases?
Note that WOLips does not yet support 3.3 ... The bindings API was
not finalized in 3.2, and Entity Modeler uses it extensively. The
finalized API in 3.3 is completely changed, so I can't rel
On 2007.05.08 00:05, somebody called Guido Neitzer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
bingled this:
> On 07.05.2007, at 09:51, Patrick Robinson wrote:
>
>> The one thing I can't figure out how to do in Eclipse, that I have
>> found to be almost indispensable in Xcode, is to be able to open
>> separate files in
but I can click a button and get either a Direct-To-Java-Client
app, or a running web-application that just works.
You can do this with Eclipse too. I can safely say I have never
tinkered with the build scripts in either XCode or Eclipse.
Simon __
To add on, I would think that the support for MS Windows
development and deployment is deprecated.
That was already obsolete as of WO 5.3. No guessing there. But again,
that is about officially supported environments - which became Mac OS
X only. You are free to deploy elsewhere.
My doubt about
I don't have time to respond to this whole email just now, but one
thing:
Eclipse: No option to create an ant-based project by default (apart
from creating a Java project from an existing build file - but
insists on not keeping your project as is, but creating a dir in
the workspace and c
Hi Mike and all,
just some general thoughts...
On 05/05/2007, at 7:12 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I like the apple tools. I know WOLips and project WOnder exist
for eclipse but I do not like these tools much.
I agree with Kieran completely,
Yes, I can concur with Kieran's experience having als
On May 4, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
perhaps I haven't configured Eclipse in a way that it really
behaves like I want it.
Bingo. This is why I have not yet switched. I have to configure
EVERYTHING in Eclipse, and the options seem to change almost
continuously. This may sound si
Hi!
I got used to it. The only thing that I really miss is having the
window broke in half, and on the top one file, and another file (or
even perhaps the same) on the bottom. I think eclipse can do this,
but taking a ridiculous amount of space.
Even so, most reasons I needed it in th
I prefer the tabbed workspace it just seems better organized and
you can click on any tab to get a view beside multiple keystrokes/
clicks to use Exposé to find a window.
In any case though, you can do New Window, open your file and double-
click the tab so that the view occupies the com
On 07.05.2007, at 09:51, Patrick Robinson wrote:
The one thing I can't figure out how to do in Eclipse, that I have
found to be almost indispensable in Xcode, is to be able to open
separate files in separate *windows* - that is, windows that I can
independently size and move around on my de
On May 4, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I like the apple tools. I know WOLips and project WOnder exist
for eclipse but I do not like these tools much.
I agree with Kieran completely, but for people who just don't like
Eclipse/WOLips (compared to Xcode, specifically), what /exactly/ is
Hi!
I know people who are developing on Windows on 5.3. You just have
to do something based on the FreeBSD and Linux installations
description (on the WikiBook), replacing the libs, etc, and it works.
With Eclipse and WOLips, of course. You are no different then on the
Mac, because "our
And I hear Eclipse and WOLips runs fine on Windows for development...
On May 7, 2007, at 3:44 AM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 07/05/2007, at 4:36 PM, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop
development
of Web Objects.
To add on, I would think tha
On 07/05/2007, at 4:36 PM, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop development
of Web Objects.
To add on, I would think that the support for MS Windows
development and deployment is deprecated.
That was already obsolete as of WO 5.3. No guess
Another Mark Twain moment:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/marktwain141773.html
Ian
On 05/05/2007, at 5:18 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
Hello;
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop
development of Web Objects.
Has there been any change in the status of Web
On May 5, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
"Do the thing you fear and the death of fear is certain" - old
Irish proverb ;-)
No bears in Ireland, are there? :-P
--
Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their
overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying t
On May 5, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
This IDE kinds of remind me everyday that I don't really master it.
And I don't like the way it tends to fill up the screen, or the way
it pretends to show everything simultaneously by adding views all
around.
May be the default WOLips pe
This IDE kinds of remind me everyday that I don't really master it.
And I don't like the way it tends to fill up the screen, or the way
it pretends to show everything simultaneously by adding views all
around.
May be the default WOLips perspective should only have 2 or 3 views
(package explor
Hello Mike;
Ms. Johnson, your 3rd grade teacher, is grinding her dentures as we
speak. For shame. :)
Don
On May 4, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I have several products that I wish to use WebObjects for, but it
is difficult to proceed with these projects using WebObject when
it'
Chuck does, well, at least he has once ;)
http://odeo.com/audio/372795/view
Pretty Sweet.
On May 4, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
I didn't even knew that existed! :) Java world is usually so
boring and dull that I simply don't care (the fact that WO runs on
Java is an inci
Hi!
I didn't even knew that existed! :) Java world is usually so
boring and dull that I simply don't care (the fact that WO runs on
Java is an incident!)... do they talk often about WO in that podcast?
Yours
Miguel Arroz
On 2007/05/05, at 00:46, Q wrote:
On 05/05/2007, at 7:56 AM,
On 05/05/2007, at 7:56 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
On 2007/05/04, at 21:38, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
I used Apple Tools for a few years and switched to WOLips/Eclipse
at the start of this year. Recently I had to work on an old XCode
project and after 2 days, I was suicidal and I *had* to co
On 04.05.2007, at 16:04, Mike Schrag wrote:
Log me a bug in the WOLips jira with exactly which shortcuts you
want and I can drop them in.
Okay, I'll do that. Just created a task for me to collect the useful
shortcuts.
cug
___
Do not post admin r
Hi Mike,
Good question. I think that the only thing I have found in making the
transition to Eclipse is that you get used to a certain workflow/
workaroundflow in Xcode and it is very different from Eclipse (hardly
worth trying to change to reflect Xcode).
I also remember spending many day
Is there a way of getting Entity Modeler behave more like EOModeler
for shortcuts?
Log me a bug in the WOLips jira with exactly which shortcuts you want
and I can drop them in.
3. User Interface doesn't "feel OS Xish" -- This is leveled a lot,
but I'm REALLY curious to find out SPECIFICS of
2. No support for logical model vs physical model of project files
-- Eclipse 3.2 DOES have a logical model API, but we're not
currently using it in WOLips (and I haven't looked at how to yet).
I missed this for about 15 minutes. Then I realized my projects
should have their code in package
Hi!
On 2007/05/04, at 21:38, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
I used Apple Tools for a few years and switched to WOLips/Eclipse
at the start of this year. Recently I had to work on an old XCode
project and after 2 days, I was suicidal and I *had* to convert it
to WOLips it was just too slow and
On 04.05.2007, at 15:12, Mike Schrag wrote:
I agree with Kieran completely, but for people who just don't like
Eclipse/WOLips (compared to Xcode, specifically), what /exactly/ is
it that you don't like?
Not Eclipse / Xcode but Entity Modeler / EOModeler:
I was really used to the keyboard s
On 4-May-07, at 5:12 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
2. No support for logical model vs physical model of project files
-- Eclipse 3.2 DOES have a logical model API, but we're not
currently using it in WOLips (and I haven't looked at how to yet).
I missed this for about 15 minutes. Then I realized
I like the apple tools. I know WOLips and project WOnder exist
for eclipse but I do not like these tools much.
I agree with Kieran completely, but for people who just don't like
Eclipse/WOLips (compared to Xcode, specifically), what /exactly/ is
it that you don't like?
Note #1: This is NOT
On May 4, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Don Lindsay wrote:
Hello;
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop
development of Web Objects.
Has there been any change in the status of Web Objects support?
When will it quit being distributed as part of XCode?
Has/or w
Perhaps you were trying to say something different from your
conscious intent. Though I'm sure there are some who would like to
suggest that it's past. :-)
For the record, my first sentence was "it's not in doubt", which I
backspaced over for the version with a better cadence that used the
Hi, Mike,
On May 4, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I have several products that I wish to use WebObjects for, but it
is difficult to proceed with these projects using WebObject when
it's future is in doubt.
It's future is not in doubt.
It's = its.
Perhaps you were trying to say som
I have several products that I wish to use WebObjects for, but it
is difficult to proceed with these projects using WebObject when
it's future is in doubt.
It's future is not in doubt.
It's = its. I bring shame to my elementary school English teachers.
ms
__
Hello Robert, Mike;
Thanks for the information. Since WO frameworks are not going to be
deprecated I can proceed with developing new applications. Wooo HOOO!
Don
On May 4, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 07-05-04 à 15:18, Don Lindsay a écrit :
Hello;
I know that Apple had de
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop
development of Web Objects.
Not correct .. They deprecated Apple's tools development, not WO
framework development.
Has there been any change in the status of Web Objects support?
Can't answer this one.
When will it
Le 07-05-04 à 15:18, Don Lindsay a écrit :
Hello;
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop
development of Web Objects.
They dropped development of the TOOLS. The frameworks are NOT
deprecated.
Has there been any change in the status of Web Objects support?
Hello;
I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop development
of Web Objects.
Has there been any change in the status of Web Objects support?
When will it quit being distributed as part of XCode?
Has/or will Apple give the source code of WebObjects to th
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