Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-29 Thread Ian Joyner
On 29/06/2006, at 8:46 AM, Scott Henderson wrote: First, Thank You to all who have responded and participated to my post. Good information. Tim, I am particularly interested in your newbie experience. As I mentioned, OO programming is going to be a new experience for me. I like the pr

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-29 Thread John Stewart
One source I found very useful for the "philosophy" of OO with Java is Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" ebook: http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/ I originally came to OO through C++ & Booch, but moving to Java I still found this invaluable. John On 6/29/06, Miguel Arroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Jean Pierre Malrieu
bject-Based Programming, thus, I will need to devote substantial time acquiring the needed skills. That is why I ask about the State of WebObjects... is it worth investing one's valuable time or has it been superceded by new, improved technologies? Thanks for any commen

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Ashley Aitken
Hi Scott (et al.),A couple of points:Firstly, I don't think you have to worry (in the short to medium term) about WO's status. It is a part of Apple's Xcode development platform now and I see it becoming a more and more significant component as time goes on (and the world becomes even more Web cent

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread David LeBer
On 28-Jun-06, at 5:08 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! On 2006/06/28, at 21:31, David LeBer wrote: 2. Shrinking list of development options What do you mean? Sorry, sloppy composition, my bad. I'm typing without the use of my right hand right now (separated shoulder due to a bicycle accid

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Timmy
Scott et al: Excellent suggestions from Miguel. Also, it has been said that Chuck Hill's book is for more advanced WO practitioners. Personally, I recommend it as well because you may need to solve specific problems in your first project that you just don't know how to approach. Chuck's bo

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi! I strongly recommend you to read the "Object Oriented Programming" of this book: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/ Conceptual/ObjectiveC/ObjC.pdf Although it's about ObjC, it's one of the best OO introductions I have ever seen. Of course, it covers the "object" concep

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread womail
. That is why I ask about the State of WebObjects... is it worth investing one's valuable time or has it been superceded by new, improved technologies? Thanks for any comments. Scott ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be i

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Scott Henderson
First, Thank You to all who have responded and participated to my post. Good information. Tim, I am particularly interested in your newbie experience. As I mentioned, OO programming is going to be a new experience for me. I like the procedural approach... it seems natural and logical. Tha

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Timmy
I've enjoyed learning to be a curmudgeon. :-) I can speak to this topic being pretty fresh. I do agree that prior to taking on my current project (which really necessitated learning something more powerful like WO), I was attracted to more procedural, interpreted languages. It really has ta

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Mike Schrag
I think there's something about interpreted languages that makes a psychological difference for "non-programmers". Perl, PHP, Ruby, Javascript all attract many of the same types of people (not that Ruby doesn't attract programmer types as well, but those languages all tend to attract "no

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Paul Lynch
On 28 Jun 2006, at 22:39, Miguel Arroz wrote: On 2006/06/28, at 22:20, Paul Lynch wrote: You mean "fun", not "funny". That's a common misuse of English that is cropping up on lists more and more recently. Ops... I'm not a native english speaker... what's the difference? "Fun" is enjoy

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi! On 2006/06/28, at 22:20, Paul Lynch wrote: On 28 Jun 2006, at 22:08, Miguel Arroz wrote: Rails is an interesting contender, and I'm glad to see a new well designed framework on the field. But it is still very young and has a long way to go before it equals the richness of WO. 1 mo

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Paul Lynch
On 28 Jun 2006, at 22:08, Miguel Arroz wrote: Rails is an interesting contender, and I'm glad to see a new well designed framework on the field. But it is still very young and has a long way to go before it equals the richness of WO. 1 month = 30 * day... rails has some funny stuff, but

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi! On 2006/06/28, at 21:31, David LeBer wrote: 2. Shrinking list of development options What do you mean? 4. Some are concerned about Apples commitment to the platform. (I have to say I am not one of them.) Apple will present some conferences about WO in WWDC, specially one about

Re: State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread David LeBer
On 28-Jun-06, at 3:44 PM, Scott Henderson wrote: Hi, I am researching WO for use in an upcoming project. Welcome. Since I am new to this list, I do not have a feel for what is going on with WO or the WO Community. I would love to hear Good/Bad comments concerning the WO Development Env

State of WebObjects

2006-06-28 Thread Scott Henderson
, as well. I might also point out that I am new to Object-Based Programming, thus, I will need to devote substantial time acquiring the needed skills. That is why I ask about the State of WebObjects... is it worth investing one's valuable time or has it been superceded by new, imp