Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-15 Thread Mike Schrag
There is an EOModeler Xcode plugin that is "inspired by" the CoreData modeler, but it doesn't have full coverage of the EOModel specification (like prototypes, for instance). ms On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Satori wrote: I think I'm missing something, but doesn't the CoreData entity

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew Satori
I think I'm missing something, but doesn't the CoreData entity editor cope just fine with EOModels ? Andy On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Mike Nowak wrote: You know, in that message from Apple referenced earlier, it does say: Apple's strategy is to make WebObjects the best server-side runtim

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Hill
On Dec 13, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Thomas wrote: I know it's only a small incentive for you, but I for one would buy such a book. I am still using Xcode -- and any tools to smooth the transition to Eclipse would be welcome. We most certainly _want_ to write the book. And the publisher still w

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Hill
On Dec 14, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Mike Nowak wrote: You know, in that message from Apple referenced earlier, it does say: Apple's strategy is to make WebObjects the best server-side runtime environment we can by: - Improving performance, manageability, and standards compliance - Making WO work w

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-14 Thread Mike Nowak
You know, in that message from Apple referenced earlier, it does say: Apple's strategy is to make WebObjects the best server-side runtime environment we can by: - Improving performance, manageability, and standards compliance - Making WO work well with ANT and the most popular IDEs, including

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-14 Thread Philippe Lafoucrière
On 14 déc. 06, at 18:17, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: And to another post: 100 Euro for an integrated WO dev suite, or even just an .woa .eomodel editor duo, would be more then an agreeable price to pay. Would not hesitate. 200 bucks with uml capabilities ;)

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-14 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
I know it's only a small incentive for you, but I for one would buy such a book. I am still using Xcode -- and any tools to smooth the transition to Eclipse would be welcome. Agree there 100 percent. As a retarded XCode/WOBuilder/EOModeler user (Eclipse is simply offensive to me, as a gra

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-14 Thread Ulrich Köster
Don't forget to reserve some space for the maven stuff :-) uli Am 13.12.2006 um 01:55 schrieb Chuck Hill: On Dec 12, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Wolf Naegeli wrote: At 15:01:47 -0800 12/11/06, Chuck Hill wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:12 PM, David den Boer wrote: > However, I have made the move and i

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-13 Thread Thomas
I know it's only a small incentive for you, but I for one would buy such a book. I am still using Xcode -- and any tools to smooth the transition to Eclipse would be welcome. Another few chapters on some of the ways that Project Wonder borgs itself into WO, and how you can take advantage of

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread Chuck Hill
On Dec 12, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Wolf Naegeli wrote: At 15:01:47 -0800 12/11/06, Chuck Hill wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:12 PM, David den Boer wrote: > However, I have made the move and it was less painful than I thought it would be. And don't you feel better for it? :-P It just occurred

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread Wolf Naegeli
At 15:01:47 -0800 12/11/06, Chuck Hill wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:12 PM, David den Boer wrote: > However, I have made the move and it was less painful than I thought it would be. And don't you feel better for it? :-P It just occurred to me that for the last couple of months, your sig

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread Robert Walker
Guys, guys! Its not gone! Well yes, however, WOBuilder is so broken these days that it might as well be gone. I'm thinking that Xcode 3.0 will see the demise of these tools. So unless one plans on keeping a 10.4/Xcode 2.4.x machine around for developing WO, then we are talking about mont

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread David LeBer
On 12-Dec-06, at 9:52 AM, Jacky Gagnon wrote: Me too! What has kept me from moving is the lost of WOBuilder. I like editing with the graphical interface and I like all the bugs in it! ;-) I will miss this old friend! Jacky Guys, guys! Its not gone! You can still use WOBuilder with Ec

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread Jacky Gagnon
On 06-12-11, at 16:30, Timmy wrote: I'm in this boat as well. Me too! What has kept me from moving is the lost of WOBuilder. I like editing with the graphical interface and I like all the bugs in it! ;-) I will miss this old friend! Jacky One of the things that has kept me from

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-12 Thread Jean Pierre Malrieu
An important take-away from Daryl's comments is that EOModeler, Xcode, WOBuilder, etc aren't going anywhere soon. The road map is in place that Eclipse/Entity Modeler/etc will eventually replace them for WO development, but you can use them for a while to come. WO doesn't have a history of chang

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Hill
Hi David, On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:12 PM, David den Boer wrote: I think what we need is a migration guide for us xcode users, including what needs to be checked into cvs, The .classpath, .project files and the woproject/ directory. and how to get around some of the useful xcode features I ha

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Hill
On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Timmy wrote: I'm in this boat as well. One of the things that has kept me from moving at this time is just knowing that there's a strong recommendation to really get to know Eclipse before you even try to develop in it. I don't think it is all that bad. A be

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Timmy
I'm in this boat as well. One of the things that has kept me from moving at this time is just knowing that there's a strong recommendation to really get to know Eclipse before you even try to develop in it. On top of that, I didn't really come from a java development background so all the

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schrag
An important take-away from Daryl's comments is that EOModeler, Xcode, WOBuilder, etc aren't going anywhere soon. The road map is in place that Eclipse/Entity Modeler/etc will eventually replace them for WO development, but you can use them for a while to come. WO doesn't have a history o

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread David den Boer
I think what we need is a migration guide for us xcode users, including what needs to be checked into cvs, and how to get around some of the useful xcode features I have not yet figured out how to get around (like merging jars together). However, I have made the move and it was less painful

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Galen Rhodes
For some of us it's just always been a matter of familiarity. I started out using the WOBuilder/EOModeler/Project Builder trinity back in '98 and just never quit using it because I didn't have the time to devote to learning anything else. Now it looks like Apple is gonna force me to. -- Ga

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Hill
That is how I recall it going. Chuck On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: lol "... that's OK .. well not really ... but ... anyway" came next, iirc :) On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Clark Mueller wrote: A wise man once said, "those of you who use Xcode - you're WRONG,

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schrag
lol "... that's OK .. well not really ... but ... anyway" came next, iirc :) On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Clark Mueller wrote: A wise man once said, "those of you who use Xcode - you're WRONG, but..." I forget what came after the "but". :-) Clark On 11 Dec 06, at 1:57 PM, Mike

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schrag
Well he'd miss his old friends, but he'd have some new friends! On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I bet that Calven likes all the bugs in EOModeler. He would miss them if he switched to Entity Modeler. :-P Chuck On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: On Dec 11, 2

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Clark Mueller
A wise man once said, "those of you who use Xcode - you're WRONG, but..." I forget what came after the "but". :-) Clark On 11 Dec 06, at 1:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Calven Eggert wrote: I still use EOModeler b ___

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Hill
I bet that Calven likes all the bugs in EOModeler. He would miss them if he switched to Entity Modeler. :-P Chuck On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Calven Eggert wrote: I still use EOModeler b ___

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schrag
On Dec 11, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Calven Eggert wrote: I still use EOModeler b ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscriptio

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Calven Eggert
I still use EOModeler. No problems there. I¹ve never used WOBuilder because it¹s much faster for me to code the html. I¹m not a geek and never was. :-) On 12/11/06 9:50 PM, "Galen Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So do you use EOModeler still, is there an open source EOModel editor, or do

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Hill
Edit them by hand?!!? Giggle. Heck no! WOLips includes Entity Modeler to replace EOModeler and the WOComponent editor to replace WOBuilder. The latter is not as graphical but for the most part seems more effective to me. Chuck On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote: So do y

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Galen Rhodes
So do you use EOModeler still, is there an open source EOModel editor, or do you edit the plist files by hand? Also, what about WOBuilder. That's been my biggest reason for not switching to Eclipse because I've gotten so use to those two apps that I feel editing those files by hand would a

RE: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Calven Eggert
I used Xcode for years and in the past few years I¹ve switched to Eclipse. Wish I did it sooner simply because it is much easier to use and development is quicker because of all the short cuts built into Eclipse. And converting my applications/frameworks were done in less than a week. (couple of f

Re: Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread David Holt
Hi Denis, See Daryl Lee's message from Aug 24, 2006 http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2006/Aug/msg01144.html I believe it's also on the Apple site. David -- It's like driving a car at night. You never see further than your headlights, but you can make the whole trip that way.

Xcode and WO development?

2006-12-11 Thread Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists
Dear List,What is the status on using Xcode for WO development? A colleague has informed us that Xcode will no longer be supported for WO and that we have to switch all our source code trees over to Eclipse in the near future. Is this true?  With Kind Regards,Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[u