Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-19 Thread Tobias Gondrom
Hi Chris, good to hear. And just to add: even without websec, if you think something that goes beyond DNS namespace relationships or the scope of the other WG is needed, at the IETF there is also the possibility for individual submissions. Downside with individual drafts is, it is much harder

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-19 Thread Chris Hartmann
Thanks Jeff, Tobias. Yes, dbound does seem to resonate pretty well with where I was going here. Ironic and fortunate to catch it now while it's still crystalizing. Although I believe there is room to contemplate extending the concept beyond pure DNS namespace relationships (I'd like to see URI<->U

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-15 Thread Igor Bukanov
On 13 January 2015 at 21:30, Chris Hartmann wrote: > Presumably your credentials > to okta.com are a risk to the company if compromised. If a phisher > sent you an email claiming to be okta.com with a link to a fake but > believable hostname, say otka.com (see what I did there), you happen > to cl

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-14 Thread Chris Hartmann
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Chris Hartmann wrote: >> If a phisher >> sent you an email claiming to be okta.com with a link to a fake but >> believable hostname, say otka.com (see what I did there), you happen >> to click the link an

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-14 Thread Tobias Gondrom
Hi Chris, hi all, let me say, I can see a missing link here which would be nice to solve. Btw. another example coming to mind would be the connection with external payment services or increasing number of references to cloud based services (where it is not sure that a.com is indeed using b.com

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Chris Hartmann wrote: > If a phisher > sent you an email claiming to be okta.com with a link to a fake but > believable hostname, say otka.com (see what I did there), you happen > to click the link and are on the verge of providing your credentials, Yeah, that's t

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
> Is this a security problem? I think so. Yes. Knowing the relationship would be helpful in a security context. > I have a few ideas on how this could be improved/implemented. Dbound is poking and prodding at related issues. And they are finalizing their charter now. You might consider reading s

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Hartmann
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 12/01/15 19:18, Chris Hartmann wrote: >> 2) a.com forms a business relationship with b.com to perform a >> business function on its behalf (payment processor, blog, whatever). >> The landing page is b.com/a > > Would it not be reasonable

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Hartmann
Hi Anne/All, Thanks for the response. I think your use-case is slightly different then what I was going for, but perhaps I can extend my idea to cover a different aspect of yours. Just for clarity, if I understand correctly, the relationship between services like okta.com and google.com isn't what

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-13 Thread Gervase Markham
On 12/01/15 19:18, Chris Hartmann wrote: > 2) a.com forms a business relationship with b.com to perform a > business function on its behalf (payment processor, blog, whatever). > The landing page is b.com/a Would it not be reasonable to say that, when this sort of relationship is set up, best prac

Re: [websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Chris Hartmann wrote: > Should we solve this? Is it solved already? Could use help gelling or > junking this idea. > > I have a few ideas on how this could be improved/implemented. I'd be interested to hear them. E.g. at work we started using https://www.okta.com/

[websec] Authentic inter-domain relationships. Is this a security problem? Appropriate for websec?

2015-01-12 Thread Chris Hartmann
1) Bob trusts and does personal business with a.com. 2) a.com forms a business relationship with b.com to perform a business function on its behalf (payment processor, blog, whatever). The landing page is b.com/a 3) Bob visits b.com/a and notices that the page claims to be affiliated and owned by