Re: [Webware-devel] What is REQUEST_METHOD HEAD?

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 11:17 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote: >Here's a new one. What is a REQUEST_METHOD = HEAD? Isn't that just GET >or POST? It's like a GET, but it only wants the timestamp in return. Browsers will ask for a HEAD if they are caching a copy of the document in the hope that they don't n

[Webware-devel] What is REQUEST_METHOD HEAD?

2001-10-11 Thread Jeff Johnson
Here's a new one. What is a REQUEST_METHOD = HEAD? Isn't that just GET or POST? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/Webware/Webware/WebKit/Application.py", line 341, in dispatchRequest self.handleGoodURL(transaction) File "/usr/Webware/Webware/WebKit/Application.py", line 489

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Jeff Johnson
> Hey, just logged in. Looks real nice. It's great to see a > well-branded live site with Webware! :) > > The error messages in the registration form were intermittent -- while > many fields may have errors, only one or two at a time would display. > All appropriate error messages should disp

Re: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Ian Bicking
Hey, just logged in. Looks real nice. It's great to see a well-branded live site with Webware! The error messages in the registration form were intermittent -- while many fields may have errors, only one or two at a time would display. All appropriate error messages should display at once if yo

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 01:07 AM 10/12/2001 +0200, Fionn Behrens wrote: >All I can say about that is that I have a disabled brother. There are two >special web browsers he can operate and one of them can do cookies but no >frames, the other one can do frames but no cookies. > >Sometimes some web designers literally ru

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Fionn Behrens
Hi Chuck Esterbrook, on 11-Oct-2001 you wrote: > At 12:09 AM 10/12/2001 +0200, Fionn Behrens wrote: >>The site looks nice indeed. But I find it hardly acceptable that it is not >>viewable without cookies. >> >>Just my 0.00, >> Fionn > > Fionn, I also noticed that you don't acce

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Ian Bicking
Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just never really understood the anti-cookie movement. I investigated it > at one point by reading through archives and visiting anti-cookie sites but > never found a compelling, *concrete* example of why cookies were evil. The only cookies I real

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Jeff Johnson
> > The site looks nice indeed. But I find it hardly acceptable > that it is not > viewable without cookies. > Fionn I'd love to support no cookies if I knew how to do it easily. I haven't played with the code that adds the session id to the url path, once I get caught up I'll

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 12:09 AM 10/12/2001 +0200, Fionn Behrens wrote: >The site looks nice indeed. But I find it hardly acceptable that it is not >viewable without cookies. > >Just my 0.00, > Fionn Fionn, I also noticed that you don't accept e-mails from @yahoo.com. I tried to tell you this: "You

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Fionn Behrens
Hi Jeff Johnson, on 11-Oct-2001 you wrote: > http://foreclosures.lycos.com/ > > This is running FreeBSD, PostgreSQL, Webware, Cheetah and FunFormKit. > > Any suggestions appreciated. The site looks nice indeed. But I find it hardly acceptable that it is not viewable without cookies. Just my

Re: Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 05:39 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Geoff Talvola wrote: >Sure. Just make a longer random number to use as the random part of the >session ID. > >Actually, a bigger flaw may be in relying on Python's pseudo-random number >generator. Suppose you send a quick flurry of ten requests to WebKit, >theref

Re: Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Geoff Talvola
At 01:48 PM 10/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:38 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Geoff Talvola wrote: >>I could write a program that keeps on trying random session IDs with the >>date/time part of the session ID set to a couple of minutes ago, so the >>session is likely to still be around. It might take h

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Aaron Held
Relying on session timeouts seems to be a a problem in using UserKit, at least with the UserManager.activeUsers() method. If a user logs in and thier session invalidates how does the UserManager know that they lost thier session? Technically they are not logged in becuase next time they hit a

RE: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Jeff Johnson
Thanks for the detailed review Chuck! I'll have most of these resolved tomorrow. > Overall it looks great! And I'm very excited to see such a > high profile site backed by Webware. I didn't want to go live with the Lycos site first, I wanted a lower traffic site to test on first but that's jus

Re: [Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 04:40 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote: >We went live today with one of the sites we are working on. I didn't >expect to go live today but it was either that or wait a month so we >pushed ahead. Hopefully it works as expected :) > >http://foreclosures.lycos.com/ > >This is running Free

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Ian Bicking
Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If someone can sniff out your session, he can easily fake the TCP/IP > connection with ease. Really? I understand how sniffing works (though with proxies there's potentially other ways that cookies can be spied on), but I don't really know how IP address

Re: Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Ian Bicking
Geoff Talvola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could write a program that keeps on trying random session IDs with the > date/time part of the session ID set to a couple of minutes ago, so the > session is likely to still be around. It might take hundreds of thousands > of tries but it would even

[Webware-devel] Live webware site :)

2001-10-11 Thread Jeff Johnson
We went live today with one of the sites we are working on. I didn't expect to go live today but it was either that or wait a month so we pushed ahead. Hopefully it works as expected :) http://foreclosures.lycos.com/ This is running FreeBSD, PostgreSQL, Webware, Cheetah and FunFormKit. Any su

Re: Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 04:38 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Geoff Talvola wrote: >I could write a program that keeps on trying random session IDs with the >date/time part of the session ID set to a couple of minutes ago, so the >session is likely to still be around. It might take hundreds of thousands >of tries but it woul

RE: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Russell Blank
I tried the new wkcgi.exe, but I still had problems when I tried to forwardRequest. I have attached the code examples just in case. This examples, after I click forward, eventually timesout. Is there a special directory I need to place the wkcgi.cfg in? -Original Message- From: Geoff

Re: Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Geoff Talvola
At 01:29 PM 10/11/01 -0700, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: >Okay, so I'm curious how you would actually guess a session on my server? >You need to get a number between 0 and 9 AND you need to know the >exact date, including second, that the session was created. > >You say that "only the last 5 digi

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Baruch Even
* Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011011 22:23]: > Geoff Talvola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That reminds me of something I meant to bring up a while ago. Session IDs > > are currently not very random. Only the last 5 digits are actually random > > -- the rest of it is just the current tim

Session Ids [was Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit]

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 03:29 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Geoff Talvola wrote: >That reminds me of something I meant to bring up a while ago. Session IDs >are currently not very random. Only the last 5 digits are actually random >-- the rest of it is just the current time expressed as a string. > >This could be a securit

Session ids [was: Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 03:29 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Geoff Talvola wrote: >At 12:14 PM 10/11/01 -0700, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: >>The idea behind externalId is that you could safely use it externally to >>refer to a user. Safely means that 1. it would be hard for someone to >>guess (and therefore impersonate another us

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Ian Bicking
Geoff Talvola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That reminds me of something I meant to bring up a while ago. Session IDs > are currently not very random. Only the last 5 digits are actually random > -- the rest of it is just the current time expressed as a string. > > This could be a security hol

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Geoff Talvola
At 12:14 PM 10/11/01 -0700, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: >The idea behind externalId is that you could safely use it externally to >refer to a user. Safely means that 1. it would be hard for someone to >guess (and therefore impersonate another user) and 2. would not reveal >private information about

Re: [Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 02:56 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Aaron Held wrote: >Are any of the timout functions in the UserManager classes >(cachedUserTimeout()) implemented? >They do not seem to be used anywhere. > >Also what is External ID used for? For an I was planning to map - >User.name = email address >User.SerialNum =

[Webware-devel] UserKit

2001-10-11 Thread Aaron Held
Are any of the timout functions in the UserManager classes (cachedUserTimeout()) implemented? They do not seem to be used anywhere. Also what is External ID used for? For an I was planning to map - User.name = email address User.SerialNum = User.SerialNum (= primary key of DB) User.ExternalID

RE: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 09:16 AM 10/11/2001 -0700, Russell Blank wrote: >I really cannot wait to try this new version out. When and where should I >look to download this new version of the executable? I'll upload in a moment and send a message to the -discuss list. -Chuck _

RE: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Russell Blank
I really cannot wait to try this new version out. When and where should I look to download this new version of the executable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Love, Jay Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:19 AM To: 'Geoff Talvola'; [EMAIL

Re: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Geoffrey Talvola
On Thursday October 11, 2001 09:19 am, Love, Jay wrote: > If IIS doesn't run the cgi in the cgi's directory, does anyone have any > suggestions on how it might be able to find the config file? I know the > Windows way is to use the Registry, but that would not be a simple approach > here. > > Jay

RE: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Love, Jay
If IIS doesn't run the cgi in the cgi's directory, does anyone have any suggestions on how it might be able to find the config file? I know the Windows way is to use the Registry, but that would not be a simple approach here. Jay > -Original Message- > From: Geoff Talvola [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Webware-devel] cvs update

2001-10-11 Thread Love, Jay
Good job guys. Jay > -Original Message- > From: Geoff Talvola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Webware-devel] cvs update > > > I fixed wkcgi.exe so that it works with IIS as well as > Apache. I'll email > Chuc