Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Mike Dierken
> Mike Dierken wrote: > > >How about not putting this notification URI in the anchors at all - > >what about putting some metadata in the element that > indicates > >that /all/ links clicked should send a notification to the > indicated service? > > > That idea has several obvious flaws, the

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Gavin Sharp
Mike Dierken wrote: >How about not putting this notification URI in the anchors at all - what >about putting some metadata in the element that indicates that /all/ >links clicked should send a notification to the indicated service? > That idea has several obvious flaws, the two most important bei

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Mike Dierken
> > > > > > > > Since this is effectively capturing where the user's attention is > > > > being spent (the click event I mean), should you also define the > > > > other set of events of interest as well? > > > > > > > on-hover-notify="myattention.org/dierken" > > > > > I would posit that mos

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Mike Dierken
> > > Bearing the above in mind, I've added a section to the element > > that describes a ping="" attribute. The URIs given in this attribute > > would be followed when the user clicks the link, thus getting around > > the problems listed above. > > Since this is effectively capturing where t

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 16:33 -0700, S. Mike Dierken wrote: > > > > > > Since this is effectively capturing where the user's attention is > > > being spent (the click event I mean), should you also define the other > > > set of events of interest as well? > > > > > on-hover-notify="myattention.o

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread S. Mike Dierken
> > > Since this is effectively capturing where the user's attention is being > > spent (the click event I mean), should you also define the other set of > > events of interest as well? > > > on-hover-notify="myattention.org/dierken" > > on-copy-notify="myattention.org/dierken">Wicked Cool Stuff

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread S. Mike Dierken
> > > > Since this is effectively capturing where the user's attention is > > being spent (the click event I mean), should you also define the other > > set of events of interest as well? > > > on-hover-notify="myattention.org/dierken" > > I realise this is hypothetical, but on-hover-notify w

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread S. Mike Dierken
> href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dierken/?delete=39177102&magic_cookie=528 479cac210fc6z837c0ac708334fe6" > > I would certainly hope that Flickr requires authentication > before an URL > like that had any effect, in which case the developer of the website > would only be able to delete their

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 20:25 +1000, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > It could be defined in reverse, where the ping attribute (probably given > a more suitable name, but I'll use ping for now) could be advisory > information about the final destination and the href attribute defines > the ping destination,

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread James Graham
Lachlan Hunt wrote: J. Graham wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: It could be defined in reverse, where the ping attribute (probably given a more suitable name, but I'll use ping for now) could be advisory information about the final destination and the href attribute defines the

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt
J. Graham wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: It could be defined in reverse, where the ping attribute (probably given a more suitable name, but I'll use ping for now) could be advisory information about the final destination and the href attribute defines the ping destination, su

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread J. Graham
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: It could be defined in reverse, where the ping attribute (probably given a more suitable name, but I'll use ping for now) could be advisory information about the final destination and the href attribute defines the ping destination, such that following

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread ROBO Design
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:34:28 +0300, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, ROBO Design wrote: <...> :-) I agree with most of your points. In reply to specific suggestions: <...> You can do this already using elements (in fact it's even more effecting for DDOSing a s

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread ROBO Design
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:50:44 +0300, S. Mike Dierken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...> Since this is effectively capturing where the user's attention is being spent (the click event I mean), should you also define the other set of events of interest as well? Wicked Cool Stuff Here This wo

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: One of the patterns I've seen a lot while looking at big sites is this: Foo ...where "redirect" is a CGI script that records that the user followed the link, and that then redirects the user to the real page (potentially setting a cookie in the process). This is used

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread ROBO Design
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:36:30 +0300, dolphinling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: <...> This still doesn't "force" it to work. As a user-tracking-implementer doing it for money, I want to make absolutely sure I count properly. That means forcing people to hit the counter _be

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread ROBO Design
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:38:05 +0300, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, James Graham wrote: <...> Can you list some? Other than redirects, I couldn't actually think of any reliable ones. XMLHttpRequests dispatched in tandem with the original request are unreliable sinc

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread ROBO Design
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:14:46 +0300, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: <...> Oh, I know. My salary comes almost entirely from Web advertising. :-) <...> As currently defined the ping="" attribute takes a space-separated list of U

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Jim Ley
On 10/22/05, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, S. Mike Dierken wrote: > > Oh, that really shouldn't be done via POST. Clicking a link should be > > safe and sending a POST as a side-effect is not safe. > > GET means that you can do it again without affecting anything. In

Re: [whatwg]

2005-10-22 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 23:50 -0700, S. Mike Dierken wrote: > > Bearing the above in mind, I've added a section to the > > element that describes a ping="" attribute. The URIs given in > > this attribute would be followed when the user clicks the > > link, thus getting around the problems listed