Re: [whatwg] Web widgets

2007-10-09 Thread Karl Dubost
Ian Hickson (9 oct. 2007 - 14:36) : The W3C WebAPI working group is working on Widgets, so I'm going to punt on this as far as the HTML5 spec is concerned. Let me know if there's anything that you still think belongs in HTML5 about this. http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 8, 2007, at 22:12, Dave Singer wrote: At 12:22 +0300 8/10/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: Could someone who knows more about the production of audio descriptions, please, comment if audio description can in practice be implemented as a supplementary sound track that plays concurrently

Re: [whatwg] Google Gears and HTML5

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
(This thread covered several topics. I'm focussing on the offline web apps aspects only at the moment. I shall return to this thread in the future for the other aspects.) On Wed, 30 May 2007, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Now that Google Gears http://gears.google.com/ has been announced, I'd

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 8, 2007, at 22:52, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: I'm a bit confused about why W3C's Timed Text Candidate Recommendation hasn't been mentioned in this thread, especially given that Flash objects are the VIDEO element's biggest competitor and Flash CS3's closed captioning component

Re: [whatwg] Google Gears and HTML5

2007-10-09 Thread Chris Prince
On 10/9/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Chris Prince wrote: That is correct. Gears starts serving a manifest's resources only when everything has been successfully downloaded. If it gets a 404 it will try again later. So how does a page, once cached, stop

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Henri Sivonen wrote: In that case, an entire alternative soundtrack encoded using a general-purpose codec would be called for. Is it reasonable to expect content providers to take the bandwidth hit? Or should we expect content providers to provide an entire alternative video file? Just for

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 8, 2007, at 22:05, Dave Singer wrote: We suggested two ways to achieve captioning (a) by selection of element, at the HTML level ('if you need captions, use this resource') Makes sense to me in case of open captions burned onto the video track. and (b) styling of elements at the HTML

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Maik Merten
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis schrieb: I'm a bit confused about why W3C's Timed Text Candidate Recommendation hasn't been mentioned in this thread, especially given that Flash objects are the VIDEO element's biggest competitor and Flash CS3's closed captioning component supports Timed Text. I haven't

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Dave Singer
At 10:03 +0300 9/10/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Oct 8, 2007, at 22:52, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: I'm a bit confused about why W3C's Timed Text Candidate Recommendation hasn't been mentioned in this thread, especially given that Flash objects are the VIDEO element's biggest competitor and

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:03:41 +0200, Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-ttaf1-dfxp-20061116/ Actually I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to have an attribute for media elements specifying a URI for a file containing Timed Text. These externally stored (not

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 9, 2007, at 19:24, Dave Singer wrote: At 10:03 +0300 9/10/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: My understanding is that the purpose of this thread isn't to find a captioning spec for HTML 5 but to find the right way to do closed captions in Ogg. Oh. I was under the impression that this thread

[whatwg] SQLResultSet rows property

2007-10-09 Thread Anders Carlsson
Hello, according to http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sqlresultset the rows attribute should return a _native_ array of objects. In the case of JavaScript, does that mean a native JavaScript Array object or another object which can be indexed as an array? If it's the

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Dave Singer
At 9:22 +0300 9/10/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Oct 8, 2007, at 22:12, Dave Singer wrote: At 12:22 +0300 8/10/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: Could someone who knows more about the production of audio descriptions, please, comment if audio description can in practice be implemented as a

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Robert Sayre wrote: Basically, I think offline caches should respect the Vary: HTTP header, and maybe more. Applications will need to do this right anyway, if they want to function correctly in the presence of ISP HTTP proxies (AOL, TMobile, etc), corporate firewalls,

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves
On 10/9/07, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the delivery is streaming, or in some other way where the selection of tracks can be done prior to transport, then there isn't a bandwidth hit at all, of course. Then the ask this resource to present itself in the captioned fashion is a

Re: [whatwg] Google Gears and HTML5

2007-10-09 Thread Dave Camp
On 10/9/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've now added an offline Web applications system to HTML5. Comments welcome. One small nit, swapCache() should probably set the state back to IDLE. -dave

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2007-10-09 Thread Dave Singer
At 0:25 +0100 10/10/07, Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote: On 10/9/07, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the delivery is streaming, or in some other way where the selection of tracks can be done prior to transport, then there isn't a bandwidth hit at all, of course. Then the ask this

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Could multi-page apps be addressed by letting applications specify that other applications should be cached (using a similar api to the one that lets applications programatically cache resources)? I don't think that works very well -

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Aaron Boodman wrote: In order to offline-enable bugzilla, you would first need to turn it into an ajax-style application. Where you separate the UI template from the data. If you still want to keep the old URLs working, this basically means capturing (and

Re: [whatwg] Persistent Scripting Context, was: Offline Web Apps

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: 1. Instead of using application attribute, move the declaration into a separate head element, like link rel=application. This provides the ability to reference multiple applications and also name each reference: link rel=application

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Here are my thoughts on the problem of bugzilla and similar applications with open-ended URI spaces. 1) It doesn't fit well with the URI model to treat the query part of the URI specially. First, it's not in line with the web architecture

Re: [whatwg] Latest proposal for offline web app API

2007-10-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Aaron Boodman wrote: * If you're offline, and any of the caches have fallback pages associated with a pattern that matches the URI of the resource being fetched, then: Not offline, but the request failed right? This shouldn't rely on having the browser