Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-03-01 Thread Smylers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had posted this on my personal blog: http://nczonline.net/blog/2008/2/28/thoughts_on_html_5. Ian requested I join the mailing list to continue the discussion, so here it is: Hi there Nicholas. Welcome to the list, and thanks for your comments. I'll try to explain

Re: [whatwg] postMessage and serialization

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Aaron Boodman wrote: Passing booleans, numbers and strings is trivial using the current API. Passing arrays of booleans and numbers is trivial too. Passing objects, or arrays of strings, arrays, or objects, is more complex, but as you point out, it can be done using JSON libraries. Since

Re: [whatwg] reply() extension to postMessage()

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Given that everyone is now updating their postMessage() code anyway, I wonder if it's possible to quickly make another minor tweak. The proposal is to remove the source attribute from MessageEvent and replace it with a reply()

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Jonas Sicking wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Also, if we're going to be inconsistent in how current browsers and web pages handle multiple bases, why not simply use the first base for both href= and target=? Done. I realized another limitation. It is very

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:41 +0100, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally it's something I would be very reluctant to do. It would add a whole lot of code for basically no benefit for web developers. I have never heard of anyone that actually desired changing the base uri for

Re: [whatwg] reply() extension to postMessage()

2008-03-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: Over the past few days I've been working on something similar: http://hixie.ch/specs/dom/messages/0.9 So this draft makes one of the two endpoints cross scope, i.e. it is created in one window, and are then passed over to the other. This

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Nicholas C. Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From this description, it seems like the section/ element has little use. If you're talking about writing articles, most authors consider the start and end of sections as implicitly defined by headings. Making this

Re: [whatwg] reply() extension to postMessage()

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: Over the past few days I've been working on something similar: http://hixie.ch/specs/dom/messages/0.9 So this draft makes one of the two endpoints cross scope, i.e. it is created in one window, and are then passed over to the

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:41 +0100, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally it's something I would be very reluctant to do. It would add a whole lot of code for basically no benefit for web developers. I have never heard of anyone that actually desired

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:29 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Jonas Sicking wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Also, if we're going to be inconsistent in how current browsers and web pages handle multiple bases, why not simply use the first base for both href= and

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:41 +0100, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally it's something I would be very reluctant to do. It would add a whole lot of code for basically no benefit for web developers. I

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread L. David Baron
On Saturday 2008-03-01 17:12 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I'd propose that resolution is always done against the base in effect at the time the URI is resolved. So changing the base would never trigger a reload short of another action. That means you'd need to define when every URI is

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread L. David Baron
On Saturday 2008-03-01 17:08 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: How about requiring that the base used is the one in effect when a given relative URI is resolved, and define that URIs for resource-loading elements are resolved at the time the relevant attribute is set or parsed (but for

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-03-01 Thread Nicholas C. Zakas
Thanks, I'm happy to be here. :) Thanks for a clear explanation of the irrelevant attribute. If you see the other thread about this, I think we've all now agreed that the purpose for the attribute makes sense, but the name is another story. It's difficult to spell for most people and really

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-01 Thread Nicholas C. Zakas
Reading your description makes me think that you're more displeased with the hn/ elements than you are happy with the section/ element. I've never had issues promoting headers or moving content around, and I'm not clear that section/ would help in any of these circumstances. Nested sections

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 1, 2008, at 6:18 PM, L. David Baron wrote: On Saturday 2008-03-01 17:08 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: How about requiring that the base used is the one in effect when a given relative URI is resolved, and define that URIs for resource-loading elements are resolved at the time the

Re: [whatwg] reply() extension to postMessage()

2008-03-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: I updated the proposal recently (in response to similar feedback from Adam or Collin) to say that when you pass an EndPoint through postMessage(), what happens is that a clone EndPoint is made for delivery on the other side, and the EndPoint

Re: [whatwg] Issues concerning the base element and xml:base

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Mar 1, 2008, at 6:18 PM, L. David Baron wrote: On Saturday 2008-03-01 17:08 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: How about requiring that the base used is the one in effect when a given relative URI is resolved, and define that URIs for resource-loading elements are

Re: [whatwg] reply() extension to postMessage()

2008-03-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: I updated the proposal recently (in response to similar feedback from Adam or Collin) to say that when you pass an EndPoint through postMessage(), what happens is that a clone EndPoint is made for delivery on the other side, and the