On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
I agree with 80% of your reponses to the Codecs for audio and video
conversation. However, I think that you are underestimating the
influencing power of the spec with regarding to available hardware
support. Hardcoding a spec in hardware is a very
2009/7/5 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
[...]
On the other side, I'm firmly convinced that some vested interest could
lobby and even pay the chipmakers for having them not adding support to Ogg.
This is a free market, isn't it?
As you say, it's a free
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Sam Kuper wrote:
2009/7/5 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
[...]
On the other side, I'm firmly convinced that some vested interest could
lobby and even pay the chipmakers for having them not adding support to
Ogg.
This is a free
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a feature
will be supported, by adding a well-known
On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't
generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
A spec for Theora through a formal standards process might more effectively
focus latent demand than a mention in the HTML spec.
You may be right, but that is an orthogonal issue.
Rob
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He was pierced for our
When script creates an audio element using the new Audio constructor, the
'autobuffer' attribute should be automatically set on that element.
Presumably scripts will only create audio elements that they actually intend
to play.
Rob
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He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our
Hi,
I'm looking at the Gecko implementation of element.classList. I had a
few comments about the spec.
1) http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3253to=3254 missed
something. There is still a mention of alphabetical sort order in the
beginning of section 2.8.3:
element = tokenlist .
What about slower, public, or WIFI connections that can't support 5 people
going to yahoo.com and having audio of interviews load? Yahoo would think
that everyone would want to listen to at least the first ~15-30 seconds.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Adam Shannon ashannon1...@gmail.comwrote:
What about slower, public, or WIFI connections that can't support 5 people
going to yahoo.com and having audio of interviews load? Yahoo would think
that everyone would want to listen to at least the first ~15-30
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Adam Shannon ashannon1...@gmail.comwrote:
What about slower, public, or WIFI connections that can't support 5 people
going to yahoo.com and having audio of interviews load? Yahoo
Ian Hickson wrote:
| video does support fallback, so in practice you can just use Theora and
| H.264 and cover all bases.
Could you replace the codec section with at least an informative note
to this effect? Something like,
As of 2009, there is no single efficient codec which works on all
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Jim Jewett jimjjew...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
| video does support fallback, so in practice you can just use Theora
and
| H.264 and cover all bases.
Could you replace the codec section with at least an informative note
to this effect?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then compete on.
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
I agree:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Jim Jewett wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
| video does support fallback, so in practice you can just use Theora and
| H.264 and cover all bases.
Could you replace the codec section with at least an informative note to
this effect? Something like,
As of 2009, there is
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maciej Stachowiakm...@apple.com wrote:
On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Adam Shannon ashannon1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote:
I think we expect new Audio to be used for scripted playing of sounds,
not to create in-page audio elements.
If that is the purpose for
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
It's not the standard alone that makes it happen. The standard is for
the general market neither a necessary nor a sufficient requirement for
uptake. However, for the individual vendor, a standard and the
perception that the market is adopting it
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Some authors want a royalty-free video codec. We have an implementation,
Theora. I believe linking HTML5 to it would increase author demand for
it to be supported in all browsers, and help those authors make a
stronger case.
Given the volume
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
The point is that there is no decided roadmap.
There was one, and has been recently dropped.
Actually there has never been a roadmap on this issue.
My point is that thinking that the free market will solve the issue by
any of the two routes that
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
1) Do you agree with my view that specifying Theora for the video
element would result in a self-fulfilling prophecy?
No. I don't think it would make any difference to what browsers implement,
and as far as I can tell, what browsers implement is the
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then compete on.
On
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:06:25 + (UTC), Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
Or do you think it is better to pick a side that has a good shot at
winning, even if it means that some vendors may be non-compliant with
the spec?
I think it would
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