On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:08:23 +0200, Eduard Pascual herenva...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Keryx Webwebmas...@keryx.se wrote:
On 2009-07-23 20:32, Eduard Pascual wrote:
While I don't consider a hard requirement would be appropriate, there
is an audience sector this
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Jonas Sickingjo...@sicking.cc wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I'm intrigued by Rob Sayres idea
of completely removing the definition of what is conforming. Let the
spec define UA (or HTML consumer) behavior, and let lint tools fight
out best
Maciej wrote:
So, in conclusion, having a baseline for correct syntax may actually
make it easier to develop an ecosystem of style-checking tools.
However, this makes it important to keep the core set of syntax
errors relatively minimal. I'm not sure HTML5 as currently drafted
entirely
I have put a new version of the CRDF document up [1]. Here is a
summary of the most significant changes:
* Location: with the migration from Google Pages to Google Sites,
the PDF document will not be allowed anymore to be hosted at its
former location. I wanted to keep this proposal independent
There is now a public GIT repository containing the build process for
producing the HTML5 specification. The build process and source for
generating the HTML5+RDFa specification are also included. More details
here:
http://github.com/html5/spec/
For instructions on how one might use the
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
If cite is exclusively for titles, it shouldn't be called cite.
Sure, but we're about 15 years too late for that.
Well, no: the as far as I have been able to determine, every HTML
specification (before HTML5) did not limit this
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Erik Vorhese...@textivism.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
In practice, people haven't been confused between these two attributes as
far as we can tell. People who use cite seem to use it for titles, and
people who
Manu Sporny wrote:
3. Running the Anolis post-processor on the newly modified spec.
Is there any reason you use --allow-duplicate-dfns? Likewise, you
probably don't want --w3c-compat (the name is slightly misleading, it
provides compatibility with the CSS WG's CSS3 Module Postprocessor, not
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Kristof
Zelechovskigiecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote:
1. If you cite a person, the person you cite does not become a citation
because of that. Putting the person inside the CITE element distorts the
meaning.
If you are citing a person (either as someone worth
John Foliot wrote:
Peter Kasting wrote:
It seems like the only thing you could ask for beyond
this is the ability to directly insert your own changes
into the spec without prior editorial oversight. I think
that might be what you're asking for. This seems very
unwise.
Really? This appears
Hello folks -
I'm an engineer on the Gmail team. We've been working on a prototype
with the Chrome team to make the Gmail experience better. We thought
we'd throw out our ideas to the list to get some feedback.
THE PROBLEM
We would like to enable rich internet applications to achieve feature
06.07.2009, в 21:30, Ian Hickson написал(а):
postMessage() may want another exception condition... 'too much data
pending exception'... consider calling postMessage in a while(true)
loop... at some point the system is going to have to give up queing
the
data if its not actually making its
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, John Foliot jfol...@stanford.edu wrote:
That said, the barrier to equal entry remains high:
http://burningbird.net/node/28
I don't understand. That page says We're told that to propose changes to
the document for consideration, we need to ... and then a long
27.07.2009, в 12:35, Maciej Stachowiak написал(а):
However, I do not think that raising an exception is an appropriate
answer. Often, the TCP implementation takes a part of data given to
it, and asks to resubmit the rest later. So, just returning an
integer result from send() would be
John Foliot wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
Really? This appears to be exactly the single, special status
privilege
currently reserved for Ian Hickson.
False.
...and yes, I stand corrected. Although the *impression* that this is the
current status remains fairly pervasive; however I will endeavor
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org wrote:
27.07.2009, в 12:35, Maciej Stachowiak написал(а):
However, I do not think that raising an exception is an appropriate
answer. Often, the TCP implementation takes a part of data given to it, and
asks to resubmit
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org wrote:
27.07.2009, в 12:35, Maciej Stachowiak написал(а):
However, I do not think that raising an exception is an appropriate
answer. Often, the TCP implementation takes a part of data given to it, and
asks to resubmit
27.07.2009, в 13:20, Jeremy Orlow написал(а):
I agree that this will help if the application sends data in burst
mode, but what if it just constantly sends more than the network can
transmit? It will never learn that it's misbehaving, and will just
take more and more memory.
An example
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org wrote:
27.07.2009, в 13:20, Jeremy Orlow написал(а):
I agree that this will help if the application sends data in burst mode,
but what if it just constantly sends more than the network can transmit? It
will never learn
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Drew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.orgwrote:
27.07.2009, в 13:20, Jeremy Orlow написал(а):
I agree that this will help if the application sends data in burst mode,
but what if it just
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Drew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.orgwrote:
27.07.2009, в 13:20, Jeremy Orlow написал(а):
I agree that this
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
According to this section 9.4, any descendant text node of a style
element should be outputted literally, rather than being escaped.
However, this doesn't seem to match what Opera/Chrome/FF do. Test case:
html
body
style id=test
/style
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Gregg Tavares wrote:
The specific ambiguity I'd like to bring up has to do with the several
versions of a function, context.drawImage. They take width and height
values. The spec does not make it clear what is supposed to happen with
negative values.
My personal
Manu Sporny:
3. Running the Anolis post-processor on the newly modified spec.
Geoffrey Sneddon:
Is there any reason you use --allow-duplicate-dfns?
I think it’s because the source file includes the source for multiple
specs (HTML 5, Web Sockets, etc.) which, when taken all together, have
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Stewart Brodie wrote:
The GC rules in section 9 seem overly permissive - if there is a
listener for message events but the script forgets to call close()
when the user navigates away, then the resources it is consuming cannot
be reclaimed.
Fixed.
There is a small
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
The way we've implemented in Firefox, we'll return yes if you
specify a codecs parameter and we support every codec in your list. So
v.canPlayType(video/ogg;
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Gregg Tavares wrote:
The specific ambiguity I'd like to bring up has to do with the several
versions of a function, context.drawImage. They take width and height
values. The spec does not make it clear
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Gregg Tavares wrote:
The diagram in the docs
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#images
Clearly show SX maps to DX, SY maps top DY
But that is not the interpretation that is implemented. The
interpretation that is
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
I don't see why the imagedata API isn't suitable for that. It's not
like if you're painting that on the canvas you'll want to leave the
last row or column unaffected. You'll want to clear it or some such,
in practice.
I
This sounds really powerful, and seems like a natural evolution of some of
the stuff we've discussed previously for persistent workers. A few
comments/notes:
1) It sounds like this background page would act like any other web page
with respect to its processing model (i.e. like other pages, script
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Oliver Hunt wrote:
While investigating a compatibility issue with
http://www.blahbleh.com/clock.php I found that the spec behaviour on
CanvasRenderingContext2D.lineTo conflicts with what Gecko implements.
The current spec language is
The lineTo(x, y) method must do
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Oliver Hunt wrote:
Just noticed while looking at the path modification functions that the
summary of bezierCurveTo (at the beginning of Section 4.8.11.1.8) gives
bezierCurveTo the signature bezierCurveTo(cpx, cpy, x, y) which is the
signature for quadraticCurveTo. The
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Bruce Lawson wrote:
The eleventy squillion WordPress sites out there that allow comments ask
for your web page address as well as name and email. The method of
entering a URL does not require the http:// prefix; just beginning the
URL with www is accepted.
As it's
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Aron Spohr wrote:
1. Every Element with the draggable attribute set to true should be
focusable by default. I know that tabindex=n would make almost any
element focusable but I think making draggable elements focusable is
something that shouldn't be left to best
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
In 2.1.2:
A content attribute is said to change value only if its value new value
is different than its previous value; setting an attribute to a value it
already has does not change it.
should be
A content attribute is said to change value
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Joshua Brickner wrote:
A tag like nostyle would useful to 'reset' the styles for the specifed
part of the document.
Essentially it would clear any inherited styles from being applied to
it's contents. This idea is not quite the same as the one proposed but
I've
2) For multi-process browsers like Chrome, there seem to be limitations as
to what can actually be accessed between processes (direct DOM access across
process boundaries seems problematic for example). Do you have ideas about
how to address this, since assumedly the page calling
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Oh, I have forseen that. Is it really necessary to remove duplicates
? I imagine DOMTokenList to be similar to what can be achieved with a
String.split(), but then it would be just more duplicate
functionality.
If we don't remove
On Jul 27, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:
27.07.2009, в 12:35, Maciej Stachowiak написал(а):
However, I do not think that raising an exception is an
appropriate answer. Often, the TCP implementation takes a part of
data given to it, and asks to resubmit the rest later. So,
On Jul 27, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Drew Wilson wrote:
There's another option besides blocking, raising an exception, and
dropping data: unlimited buffering in user space. So I'm saying we
should not put any limits on the amount of user-space buffering
we're willing to do, any more than we
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
The way we've implemented in Firefox, we'll return yes if you
specify a codecs parameter and we
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Michael Davidsonm...@google.com wrote:
THE PROBLEM
snip
feature parity with desktop applications.
snip
A SOLUTION
snip
hidden HTML/JS page running
in the background that can access the DOM of visible windows.
snip
KNOWN ISSUES
As mentioned in
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Michael Davidson m...@google.com wrote:
As mentioned in earlier discussions about persistent workers,
permissioning UI is a major issue.
Indeed, the most difficult issue here is security and the permissions UI,
which you haven't addressed at all.
Currently,
Why not just allow unlimited buffering, but also provide an API to query how
much data is currently buffered (approximate only, so it would be OK to just
return the size of data buffered in user space)?
Then applications that care and can adapt can do so. But most applications
will not need to.
Obviously we need more web platform capabilities to make such use cases a
reality, but they are foreseeable and we should deal with them in some
reasonable way.
Couldn't agree more.
The proposed websocket interface is too dumbed down. The caller doesn't know
what the impl is doing, and the impl
There were some proposals to change video's fallback model to allow
markup to be used as an alternative to a video stream, so that once the
various alternative videos had been tried, the user agent would make
video act as a regular display:block element and no longer act as a
video viewport.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Michael Davidson m...@google.com
wrote:
As mentioned in earlier discussions about persistent workers,
permissioning UI is a major issue.
Indeed, the most difficult issue here is security and the
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
Indeed, the most difficult issue here is security and the permissions UI,
which you haven't addressed at all.
One obvious solution would be to have installation UI like extensions,
but somewhat less scary (no signing
On Jul 27, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
I'm not clear how the UI requirements here are different from
persistent workers, though. Those also persist after the user
navigates away, right?
Persistent workers are even more of a security risk, since they are
supposed to persist even
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Maciej Stachowiakm...@apple.com wrote:
Persistent workers are even more of a security risk, since they are supposed
to persist even after the browser has been restarted, or after the system
has been rebooted. Persistent workers should be renamed to BotNet
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Oh, I have forseen that. Is it really necessary to remove duplicates
? I imagine DOMTokenList to be similar to what can be achieved with a
String.split(), but then it would be just
Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
Manu Sporny wrote:
3. Running the Anolis post-processor on the newly modified spec.
Is there any reason you use --allow-duplicate-dfns?
Legacy cruft. There was a time that I had duplicate dfns while
attempting to figure something else out. The latest commit to the
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Sylvain wrote:
This is a bit unrelated, but when looking at the DOMTokenList
implementation, I had an idea about an alternative algorithm that could
be easier to implement and could also be described more simply in the
spec. The disadvantage is that the DOMTokenList
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Michael Davidsonm...@google.com wrote:
THE PROBLEM
snip
feature parity with desktop applications.
snip
A SOLUTION
snip
hidden HTML/JS page running
in the background that can access the DOM of visible windows.
snip
KNOWN ISSUES
As mentioned in earlier
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Sylvain Paschesylvain.pas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Oh, I have forseen that. Is it really necessary to remove duplicates
? I imagine DOMTokenList to be
Peter Kasting wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, John Foliot jfol...@stanford.edu
mailto:jfol...@stanford.edu wrote:
That said, the barrier to equal entry remains high:
http://burningbird.net/node/28
I don't necessarily agree with most of Shelley's take on the situation.
I do
Cameron McCormack wrote:
Manu Sporny:
3. Running the Anolis post-processor on the newly modified spec.
Geoffrey Sneddon:
Is there any reason you use --allow-duplicate-dfns?
I think it’s because the source file includes the source for multiple
specs (HTML 5, Web Sockets, etc.) which, when
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote:
What's tricky is that a document.write inside a deferred script in IE
will in some circumstances clear the current document, in other cases
append to it. Specifically it seems that if the
It sounds like most of the concerns are about the 2nd part of this proposal:
allowing a background page to continue running after the visible page has
been closed.
However, the first part sounds like it alone would be useful to web
applications like GMail:
The first, which should begenerally
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Gregg Tavares wrote:
The diagram in the docs
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#images
Clearly show SX maps to DX, SY maps top DY
But that is not
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