Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-10 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 10/08/2009 04:05, Remco wrote: A title is a short description, and could be the movie title in the case of a video element. WCAG 2 1.1.1 requires that: If non-text content is time-based media, then text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the non-text content.

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-10 Thread Chris McCormick
Hi Sam, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 03:23:15PM +0100, Sam Dutton wrote: As an aside to Chris McCormick's comments, I wonder if it might also be useful/possible/appropriate (or not) to provide access to media data in the way that the ActionScript computeSpectrum function does:

[whatwg] Expose event.dataTransfer.files accessor to allow file drag and drop

2009-08-10 Thread Noel Gordon
PROPOSAL When the user drags-and-drops files onto a web page, we should expose those files to the page via a files accessor on the dataTransfer property of the event object. This feature is consistent with HTML 5's security model for drag and drop. I wasn't clear on this part -- how is the

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-10 Thread Remco
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewisbhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/08/2009 04:05, Remco wrote: A title is a short description, and could be the movie title in the case of a video element. WCAG 2 1.1.1 requires that: If non-text content is time-based media, then

Re: [whatwg] Test results for xmlns:foo attribute preservation across all browsers

2009-08-10 Thread Bil Corry
Charles McCathieNevile wrote on 8/6/2009 2:24 PM: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:12:07 -0400, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote: The test ensures that attributes originating in the markup of an HTML4 document are preserved by the HTML parser and are preserved in the DOM. [...]

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-10 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 10/08/2009 15:42, Remco wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewisbhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: Do these features meet your requirements? If not, why not? A longdesc is not the same as an alt, in that a longdesc is a long description of the content, while an alt

Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList: mutation clarification

2009-08-10 Thread Sylvain Pasche
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: I've reworded it to imply only one mutation event fires. Thanks. 2) (using the class attribute for the discussion) What should happen when you do a remove(foo) on an element which has no class attribute? My understanding is

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-08-10 Thread John Gregg
TO SUMMARIZE: -There are many other existing ways to notify -I'd suggest browsers have a Notification process with which open tabs register. -Registered open tabs could tell the browser to pop up a notification, perhaps with title text, body text, and image -Clicking the notification would

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-10 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? Yes, I have a 16 point minimum font size set; and removing that moved the boxes out of the way. It also made the text in the boxes so small as to be noticeably more

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-10 Thread Bil Corry
Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote on 8/10/2009 1:26 PM: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? Yes, I have a 16 point minimum font size set; and removing that moved the boxes out of the way. It also made the

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-10 Thread David Singer
At 11:22 +1000 10/08/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I'd be curious to hear what those problems and provisions are for video and audio. I'm just referring to the rather extensive disciussion of 'alt' for images, and the concern some have with attributes that 'most' people don't see. I do agree

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-08-10 Thread Michael Kozakewich
From: John Gregg Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:54 PM I think it's appeared on this thread before, but I'm currently working on an API to provide desktop notifications. A patch has been proposed to WebKit at https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25463. I had originally proposed it to

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
I have no opinion on the need being adequately covered by other attributes, but… On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: For an image this usually works well. An image usually doesn't convey a lot of meaning. It can be replaced by a simple sentence like A young dog plays

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-10 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Montag, den 10.08.2009, 13:38 -0500 schrieb Bil Corry: As an alternative, in FF and IE (and probably other UAs), you can use ctrl-plus and ctrl-minus to grow and shrink the page content. Or, the stylesheet could just properly depend on the fontsize, eg. by using EM units. -- Nils Dagsson

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Smylers wrote: I experienced this recently with a minimum font size set (in Firefox). I tracked it down to something like this (sorry, that was on another computer, so this is from memory): * The main content's left margin, in which the boxes have to fit, is

[whatwg] 2.2.2 editorial

2009-08-10 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
For example, while strongly discouraged to do so, an implementation Foo Browser could add a new DOM attribute fooTypeTime to a control's DOM interface that returned the time it took the user to select the current value of a control (say). while strongly discouraged to do so -- while strongly

[whatwg] 2.3 editorial: operators, operations, or ?

2009-08-10 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
This specification defines several comparison operators for strings. Really, operators? Is this the right word here? Maybe it should be several comparison operations on strings or several possible comparisons for strings. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org

[whatwg] 2.4.4.3 editorial

2009-08-10 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
As with the previous algorithms, when this one is invoked, the steps must be followed in the order given, aborting at the first step that returns something. I suggest deleting when this one is invoked. It doesn't really add anything. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org

[whatwg] Editorial 2.2.2

2009-08-10 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
Extensions must be defined so that the use of extensions does not contradict nor cause the non-conformance of functionality defined in the specification. should be either Extensions must be defined so that the use of extensions neither contradicts nor causes the non-conformance of functionality

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-08-10 Thread Michael Kozakewich
From: John Gregg Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:34 PM Michael Kozakewich wrote: Are notifications really a renderer problem, as opposed to a browser-UI problem? (e.g. 'Safari' or 'Chromium', rather than 'Webkit') Also, I don't know of any notifications (Outlook, Messenger, AVG,

Re: [whatwg] Language tags

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Web Apps 1.0 references RFC 3066. However, IANA seems to behave as if a successor for the RFC had already been approved. The successor draft is http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltru-registry-14.txt Is it safe to expect Web Apps 1.0

Re: [whatwg] More comments and questions on Web Apps 1.0

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Ian Hickson wrote: 2.14.1.1. The spec should probably mention http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoehrmann-script-types-03.txt or its successor around here. I have no idea which section that was, nor which RFC that is (the URI is

Re: [whatwg] Suggestions and questions for Web Forms 2.0, 2004-12-26 working draft

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Christian Schmidt wrote: Ian Hickson skrev: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Matthew Thomas wrote: 55. http://devedge.netscape.com/library/manuals/2000/javascript/1.3/ reference/index.html has been unavailable throughout the period I was reviewing this spec. Perhaps

Re: [whatwg] RFC 2732 reference unneeded

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Geoffrey Sneddon wrote: #terminology: For readability, the term URI is used to refer to both ASCII URIs and Unicode IRIs, as those terms are defined by RFC 3986 and RFC 3987 respectively, and as modified by RFC 2732. RFC 2732 is irrelevant, as URIs as of RFC 3986 and

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-10 Thread Sam Kuper
In recent news, Google may be about to open source On2 codecs, perhaps creating a route out of the HTML 5 video codec deadlock: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/google_vp6_open_source/

Re: [whatwg] Language codes: RFC 3066 versus RFC 4646

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Alex Bishop wrote: In several places in HTML5 (specifically, sections 3.3.3.3, 4.2.5.3 and 5.11.1), the specification states that certain attribute values must be valid RFC 3066 language codes. However, RFC 3066 was replaced by RFC 4646 (and RFC 4647) in September

Re: [whatwg] Parsing RFC3339 constructs

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:59:11 +0200, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: - the literal letters T and Z must be uppercase Any technical reason why they have to? Any reason why they don't? It simplifies processing a tiny amount.

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-10 Thread King InuYasha
Perhaps Google will finally be able to break this horrible deadlock by doing just that. :) On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: In recent news, Google may be about to open source On2 codecs, perhaps creating a route out of the HTML 5 video codec deadlock:

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-10 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Dienstag, den 11.08.2009, 00:44 +0100 schrieb Sam Kuper: In recent news, Google may be about to open source On2 codecs, perhaps creating a route out of the HTML 5 video codec deadlock: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/google_vp6_open_source/ At this point, this seems to be pure

[whatwg] A tag for measurements / quantity?

2009-08-10 Thread Max Romantschuk
Hi Everyone, I've been off the list for quite some time, so bear with me if I missed something searching the archives. I've been looking at the meter element, which specifically states that There is no explicit way to specify units in the meter element, but the units may be specified in the