Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Peter Brawley schrieb: So, if the people who discuss and define the HTML5 standard *do not like* framesets, it is IMO reason enough for them to take them out of this standard. Thwere we disagree. A main W3C responsibility is to facilitate the web. Removing a feature /which is used because

Re: [whatwg] Some discrepencies and example remarks

2009-10-10 Thread Yuvalik Webdesign
From: Tab Atkins Jr. I meant it when I said you were overthinking things. ^_^ Don't try too hard; the categories are general and pretty simple. Very well, perhaps I am overcomplicating things a bit. I'll try to be a bit less stringent in my mark-up (I guess I am trying to be too much of

[whatwg] The banner-role for headers

2009-10-10 Thread Yuvalik Webdesign
In section 3.2.6 (Assistive technologies) it states in the table that header has an implied ARIA role of “banner”. However, the spec description of header does not comply with the description of the banner-role in the ARIA-spec. ARIA states: “A region that contains the primary heading or web

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Peter Brawley p...@artfulsoftware.com wrote: [lots...] Now, your last mail does describe the use-cases and their presumed requirements. Your wording is maybe a bit messy, but you have at least provided something worth discussing. Just to make sure I (and others)

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread tali garsiel
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Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:15 AM, tali garsiel t_gars...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with Peter that this type of document navigation is an extremely common use case. I think the use case includes navigation that loads only parts of the page, leaving the other parts static. Almost all web

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread tali garsiel
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Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread tali garsiel
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Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread Peter Brawley
Tali, Not sure whom you're asking, but my take is yes there's no good solution but the frameset is the least worst I've found so far. PB - tali garsiel wrote: 6ea53250910101207l3c190722he405b983fc7ba...@mail.gmail.com bay117-w2cc232231c30158f2fed583...@phx.gbl

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-10 Thread Peter Brawley
Edouard, Use case: displaying tree-based content (editable or not). (Note: I'm omitting the database aspect because it only matters on the server side: once on the client, the page doesn't care whether the data comes from/goes to a database, a collection of files, or anywhere else). I'm