Re: [whatwg] WebSocket: garbage collection

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 06 May 2010 17:20:41 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:00:36 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: [[ WebSocket object with an open connection must not be garbage collected if there are any event listeners registered for message events. ]]

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 00:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: x264 don't think much of VP8, they think it's just not ready: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377 OTOH, that may not end up mattering. Greg Maxwell thinks it's only about as much of a car crash as VP3 was when it was released:

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:27 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: x264 don't think much of VP8, they think it's just not ready: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377 OTOH, that may not end up mattering. Greg Maxwell thinks

[whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Robert O'Callahan
I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a type the user agent knows it cannot render. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#a-type-that-the-user-agent-knows-it-cannot-render Apparently this was done in response to a bug report:

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to install a VP8 codec manually, albeit via inclusion in another program: In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video as

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a type the user agent knows it cannot render.

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:55:42 +0800, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to install a VP8 codec manually, albeit via inclusion in

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 11:03, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:55:42 +0800, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I don't. They're trying to make if you install it yourself, it'll work look like they're actually doing anything at all. But they're not, because the same

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:34:49 +0800, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:27 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: x264 don't think much of VP8, they think it's just not ready:

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:59:42 +0800, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a type the user agent knows it cannot render.

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Beverloo
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to install a VP8 codec manually, albeit via inclusion in another

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Adam Harvey
On 20 May 2010 17:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to install a VP8 codec manually, albeit via inclusion in another program: In its

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:55:01 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a type the user agent knows it cannot render.

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:36:36 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:55:01 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a type the user agent knows it cannot render.

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Adam Harvey a...@adamharvey.name wrote: On 20 May 2010 17:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-20 Thread Bjorn Bringert
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 14:29:16 +0200, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: It should be possible to drive input type=speech with keyboard input, if the user agent chooses to implement that. Nothing in the API

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:46:16 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:36:36 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:55:01 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 5/20/10 5:59 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Hmm. I guess it doesn't add any implementation requirements beyond what you need to handle the complete absence of a Content-Type (which we currently don't handle, but I suppose we should). For what it's worth, the above-necko layer in Gecko never

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-20 Thread bjartur
On Thu, 20 May 2010 14:18:56 +0100, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 14:29:16 +0200, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com It should be possible to drive input type=speech with

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread David Singer
Did anyone revise the registration of application/octet-stream to add parameters? On May 20, 2010, at 3:36 , Simon Pieters wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:55:01 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I just became aware that application/octet-stream is excluded from being a

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread David Singer
On May 19, 2010, at 21:48 , Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: Google's patent license states that anyone that attempts to sue over VP8 will automatically lose their patent license. That's a huge deterrent. only to potential practitioners...not trolls :-( (i.e. non-practicing patent owners)

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 20 May 2010 18:44:12 +0200, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: Did anyone revise the registration of application/octet-stream to add parameters? No. It's just error handling. -- Simon Pieters Opera Software

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread David Singer
It's an error to have a parameter that isn't valid for the mime type, so are you suggesting (a) that you throw away the parameter as it's invalid or (b) since it's an error to supply application/octet-stream as the mime type in the first place, we may as well process its invalid parameter in an

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 20 May 2010 20:18:43 +0200, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: It's an error to have a parameter that isn't valid for the mime type, so are you suggesting (a) that you throw away the parameter as it's invalid or (b) since it's an error to supply application/octet-stream as the

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 11, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Sterling Swigart wrote: I'm working with David Levin, and based on the feedback received regarding offscreen canvas, the proposal has been changed to address more specific scenarios. The main use case was resizing images, so we are proposing an asynchronous

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread David Levin
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'm not clear on why this API is needed. ... This API seems much less general than offscreen canvas, so it's subject to the same criticism and you can't even make the argument that it also serves other use cases. The

Re: [whatwg] Video with MIME type application/octet-stream

2010-05-20 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 5/20/10 5:59 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Hmm. I guess it doesn't add any implementation requirements beyond what you need to handle the complete absence of a Content-Type (which we currently don't handle, but I

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, David Levin wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'm not clear on why this API is needed. ... This API seems much less general than offscreen canvas, so it's subject to the same criticism and you can't even

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 20, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, David Levin wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'm not clear on why this API is needed. ... This API seems much less general than offscreen canvas, so

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'd also love to hear from Mike Shaver and others from the original thread what they think of this API proposal. I think Shaver's feedback still applies: on any device with a GPU, we can optimize canvas and/or rendering

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 20, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'd also love to hear from Mike Shaver and others from the original thread what they think of this API proposal. I think Shaver's feedback still applies: on any

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread David Levin
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'd also love to hear from Mike Shaver and others from the original thread what they

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 20, 2010, at 8:13 PM, David Levin wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'd also love to hear from Mike

Re: [whatwg] Image resize API proposal

2010-05-20 Thread David Levin
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, David Levin wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'm not clear on why this API is needed. ... This API seems much less general than

Re: [whatwg] Java language bindings for HTML5

2010-05-20 Thread Shiki Okasaka
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Benjamin Smedberg benja...@smedbergs.us wrote: On 5/19/10 5:41 AM, Kühn Wolfgang wrote: C++        WebCore.html.HTMLCanvasElement (WebKit)        dom.nsIDOMHTMLCanvasElement (Firefox) Mozilla nsI* interfaces, if they continue to exist, should be treated as