Re: [whatwg] Feedback on the Mozilla FullScreen API proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:17:54 +0200, Simon Fraser s...@me.com wrote: or have some constants for behavior: const unsigned short ALLOW_KEYBOARD_INPUT = 1; void requestFullScreen(unsigned short behavior) This would be extensible, and would allow us to permit other behaviors later. Can't

Re: [whatwg] HTML resource packages

2010-08-06 Thread Christoph Päper
Justin Lebar: Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP level? If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that CSS file in an HTML file which uses resource packages, the image can be loaded

Re: [whatwg] Race condition in media load algorithm

2010-08-06 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:22:17 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 8/5/10 5:14 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: It's not, in fact, trivial in implementation. You're making assumptions about how implementations work that don't seem warranted (e.g. the concept of reference to that very

Re: [whatwg] Race condition in media load algorithm

2010-08-06 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/6/10 4:04 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: See, this concept of a script is a funny one, given that scripts are reentrant, and that multiple different scripts can all be running at the same time, possibly with event loops nested in between on the conceptual callstack Well, what we really look

Re: [whatwg] Feedback on the Mozilla FullScreen API proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Mike Wilcox
Kudos to Mozilla (and Robert?). This is awesome. It does appear that you plan to allow fullscreen without the use of a user-trigggered event such as a button-click like Flash does. Not only would I like to launch my app in fullscreen to play a game, I may want to allow my advertisers to launch

Re: [whatwg] Feedback on the Mozilla FullScreen API proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Mike Wilcox
On Aug 5, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: It's probably worth having such an event, but there will be times when neither fullscreendenied or fullscreenchanged are fired. I hope authors don't write apps that break in such cases. We definitely need some sort of event to indicate

Re: [whatwg] Discussing WebSRT and alternatives/improvements

2010-08-06 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
Snipping liberally... On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:01:47 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: CONSIDERING EXISTING FORMATS Note that the subtitling community has traditionally been using the Subrip (srt) or SubViewer (sub) formats as a simple format and SubStation alpha

Re: [whatwg] HTML resource packages

2010-08-06 Thread Justin Lebar
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Justin Lebar: Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP level? If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that

Re: [whatwg] HTML resource packages

2010-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Justin Lebar: Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Why do you want to put this on the HTML level (exclusively), not the HTTP level? If you reference an image from a CSS file and include that

Re: [whatwg] IDL attribute reflecting enumerated attributes not limited to only know values

2010-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Mounir Lamouri wrote: An example where this behavior seems buggy: - input.type and button.type: every browser makes it return text if @type isn't set to a known value. If we follow the specifications, .type should return the current value of @type. Fixed. Examples

Re: [whatwg] input type=upload (not just files) proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Eitan Adler wrote: A lot of websites let you upload either from a file on your hard drive or from a link on the web. Most of the time this is done by having two different inputs: One for a file and the other for a URL. If there were some type of input like upload'

Re: [whatwg] input type=ink proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Charles Pritchard wrote: As part of a web form, a user signs their digital signature to confirm acceptance of terms. While filling out an online profile, a user submits a simple doodle as their avatar. To quickly log into an online system, a user scribbles a

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/10, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll note, though, that that isn't a very useful pattern for users in the first place.  Most users won't have any idea what to do with a video file, especially

Re: [whatwg] input type=upload (not just files) proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I think it might make sense to expose file upload progress on a form to a same-origin server. It would be interesting to see how the equivalent feature in XMLHttpRequest is received before we add this, though. I've made a note

Re: [whatwg] [br] element should not be a line break

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Jeremy Keith jer...@adactio.com wrote: This is no longer true. The semantics of b and i have been changed in HTML5, specifically to separate the presentation from the meaning. Specifically, any reference to screen- or page-specific styling like bold and

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-08-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 12:43 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/10, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll note, though, that that isn't a very useful pattern for users in the first place. Most users

Re: [whatwg] Non-blocking SVG Canvas?

2010-08-06 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/5/10 9:14 PM, Kevin Ar18 wrote: First off, where would be an appropriate area to continue this conversation? Here is probably fine, unless you want one of www-st...@w3.org or www-...@w3.org. I'm guessing the discussion is becoming less relevant to the HTML5 spec... But this isn't an

Re: [whatwg] [br] element should not be a line break

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Thomas Koetter thomas.koet...@id-script.de wrote: That's not correct. Then give a counterexample. Actually, I shouldn't have used the term definition list as such a list type does not exist in HTML5. The meaning of the dl element has been changed to that of

Re: [whatwg] [br] element should not be a line break

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Ryosuke Niwa ryosuke.n...@gmail.com wrote: That's totally incorrect in HTML5 as Thomas has pointed out. As I pointed out, it's only theoretically incorrect. b still means something that's conventionally boldface, and i still means something that's conventionally

Re: [whatwg] [br] element should not be a line break

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bryce Fields royalrod...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just list br along with the other obsolete elements instead of trying to rebrand it semantically? What markup do you propose for addresses and poems, and in what practical sense would this markup be superior to

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 12:43 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Do browsers supply a file extension for un-extensioned files based on the mimetype? I didn't think they did. A file without an extension confuses most

Re: [whatwg] IDL attribute reflecting enumerated attributes not limited to only know values

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I'm happy to make more of them limited, especially new attributes or ones that were already that way, but I'd rather not change the default as that can have unexpected effects (e.g. some of the attributes are definitely not so

Re: [whatwg] [br] element should not be a line break

2010-08-06 Thread Bryce Fields
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Bryce Fields royalrod...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just list br along with the other obsolete elements instead of trying to rebrand it semantically? What markup do you propose for

Re: [whatwg] HTML resource packages

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Justin Lebar justin.le...@gmail.com wrote: We at Mozilla are hoping to ship HTML resource packages in Firefox 4, and we wanted to get the WhatWG's feedback on the feature. For the impatient, the spec is here:    http://people.mozilla.org/~jlebar/respkg/ I

Re: [whatwg] input type=upload (not just files) proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I think it might make sense to expose file upload progress on a form to a same-origin server. It would be interesting to see how the equivalent feature in XMLHttpRequest is received before we add this, though. I've made a note

Re: [whatwg] Feedback on the Mozilla FullScreen API proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mike Wilcox m...@mikewilcox.net wrote: Kudos to Mozilla (and Robert?). This is awesome. It does appear that you plan to allow fullscreen without the use of a user-trigggered event such as a button-click like Flash does. The proposed spec allows that, but I

Re: [whatwg] Feedback on the Mozilla FullScreen API proposal

2010-08-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Mike Wilcox m...@mikewilcox.net wrote: Regarding fullscreen elements: I appreciate the initiative, but I wonder if it's necessary to allow fullscreen at the element level? It's not necessary, but it's a very useful convenience. It also allows the UA to perform

Re: [whatwg] HTML resource packages

2010-08-06 Thread Justin Lebar
So if resource packages don't share caches, you need to either give up on caching, [or] put a given file only in one resource package on your whole site. The latter is not practical if pages use small, fairly random subsets of your assets and it's not feasible to package them all on every

Re: [whatwg] IDL attribute reflecting enumerated attributes not limited to only know values

2010-08-06 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On 08/06/2010 09:01 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: - input.autocomplete: at the moment, it is returning the content but it could return the resulting autocompletion state which is maybe a bit more than just being limited to only known values but still in the same spirit. I haven't changed this;

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks for video

2010-08-06 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Ian, I think there's a typo in the description of the TimedTrack mode at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/video.html#timed-track-mode. It says: Hidden Indicates that the timed track is active, but that the user agent is not actively displaying the cues. If no

Re: [whatwg] Non-blocking SVG Canvas?

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Ar18
First off, where would be an appropriate area to continue this conversation? Here is probably fine, unless you want one of www-st...@w3.org or www-...@w3.org. I'm guessing the discussion is becoming less relevant to the HTML5 spec... But this isn't an HTML5 spec list... It's a whatwg