Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:40:51 +0100, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: But what's the use case? Is it really useful to have comments in a subtitle file? Being able to put licensing/contact information at the top of

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:56:56 +0100, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:57:50 +0100, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: To use a different style for the cues that are sung together, so that you know when it's your turn to sing. It's not clear whether

Re: [whatwg] Device Element

2011-01-04 Thread Diogo Resende
Flash is insecure, so HTML5 should be too? Seriously? Flash is insecure because there's no security policies. It's similiar to the firefox feature to read files: you read all or you read none. That's not a good policy. Something similar to the geolocation would be better (this specific

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: By the way, the WebSRT hit from Google (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/websrt.html) is 404. I've had to read it out of the Google cache, since I'm not sure where it went. Oops. I thought I'd set up a redirect but I flubbed the

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Alex Bishop
On 03/01/2011 15:57, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: There was also some discussion about metadata. Language is sometimes necessary for the font engine to pick the right glyph. Could you elaborate on this? My assumption was that we'd just use CSS, which doesn't rely on language for this. It's not

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: RE: Inconsistent behaviour of globalCompositeOperation property - Drawing model discussion

2011-01-04 Thread carol.szabo
Please see my in-line comments below: From: rocalla...@gmail.com [mailto:rocalla...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of ext Robert O'Callahan Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:56 PM To: Szabo Carol (Nokia-MS/Boston) Cc: ch...@jumis.com; wha...@whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg]

Re: [whatwg] Device Element

2011-01-04 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/4/11 5:48 AM, Diogo Resende wrote: Flash is insecure because there's no security policies. It's similiar to the firefox feature to read files: you read all or you read none. That's not a good policy. Something similar to the geolocation would be better (this specific site/app can access

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: RE: Inconsistent behaviour of globalCompositeOperation property - Drawing model discussion

2011-01-04 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:12 AM, carol.sz...@nokia.com wrote: Please see my in-line comments below: -- Version 1: 4.8.11.1.13 Drawing model When a shape or image is painted, user agents must follow these steps, in the order given (or act as if they do):

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Seth Brown
When you download and run a program you are placing the same level of trust in a website (unless it the program is also distributed by an additional trusted site and you can verify the one you have is the same) as you would when allowing them to access one of your devices. Therefore, device

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: If you need an intermediary format while editing, you can just use any syntax you like and have the editor treat it specially. If I'd need to write my own parser to write an editor for it, that's one thing--but I hope I

Re: [whatwg] Device Element

2011-01-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 1/4/11, Diogo Resende drese...@thinkdigital.pt wrote: Flash is insecure because there's no security policies. It's similiar to the firefox feature to read files: you read all or you read none. That's not a good policy. Something similar to the geolocation would be better (this specific

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Seth Brown lear...@gmail.com wrote: When you download and run a program you are placing the same level of trust in a website (unless it the program is also distributed by an additional trusted site and you can verify the one you have is the same) as you would

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: RE: Inconsistent behaviour of globalCompositeOperation property - Drawing model discussion

2011-01-04 Thread carol.szabo
If Microsoft, Opera, and Mozilla all subscribed to the current version of the spec, it looks like WebKit is the only hold out. In the discussions that I followed, I noticed no strong arguments, other then my own (concerning resource consumption, which Robert O'Callahan aparently rejected as

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a tab visibility API

2011-01-04 Thread Alex Komoroske
Hi all, Thanks again for your comments and feedback. It's been a couple of weeks since the last activity on this thread, and I wanted to take the opportunity to do a very high-level summary of the discussion so far and put forward an updated version of the proposal (which I've included at the

Re: [whatwg] Interaction between @multiple, @pattern and @list

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Jonas Sicking wrote: However, for input type=email multiple pattern=@company.com the pattern is applied to the value as a whole, rather than to the individual addresses. This seems less useful. It can be worked around using more complex patterns, such as

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for CSS-RESET property in CSS3 ((tag: css3, html5, css-reset, idea))

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Narendra Sisodiya wrote: I think, web developed should be done modular design approach. This is more or less what XBL is intended to do: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/xbl2/Overview.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8 -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Seth Brown
I couldn't agree more that we should avoid turning this into vista's UAC. Maybe developers could make changes infrequent enough that users wouldn't be bothered very often? They could encapsulate the device access logic into one .js file that shouldn't be regularly changed. Another option is to

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Seth Brown lear...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't agree more that we should avoid turning this into vista's UAC. Maybe developers could make changes infrequent enough that users wouldn't be bothered very often? They could encapsulate the device access logic into

Re: [whatwg] textarea newline format - raw value vs. transformed value and setSelectionRange

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Michael A. Puls II wrote: Consider the following [simplified]: !DOCTYPE html title/title script window.addEventListener(DOMContentLoaded, function() { var ta = document.getElementsByTagName(textarea)[0]; ta.value = ta.value.replace(/\r|\n/g,

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a tab visibility API

2011-01-04 Thread Alex Komoroske
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: The earlier condition that I think you mentioned seemed reasonable: never say the page is hidden when it's not, eg. no false positives. It's more harmful to tell a visible page that it's invisible, than to tell an invisible

Re: [whatwg] Device element

2011-01-04 Thread Seth Brown
That was the point of what I said in the previous message. The default security level wouldn't prompt users every time a script changes. But for users who are interested and do understand what's going on--they have the option of checking to see if a script has changed and can do some more

Re: [whatwg] link.sizes and [PutForwards=value]

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Olli Pettay wrote: may I wonder why on earth any new API, like link.sizes uses PutForwards? IMHO, PutForwards should be limited to the awkward DOM0 APIs like window.location. On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: What's wrong with PutForwards? On Fri, 15 Oct

Re: [whatwg] textarea newline format - raw value vs. transformed value and setSelectionRange

2011-01-04 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:38:17 -0500, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Michael A. Puls II wrote: Consider the following [simplified]: !DOCTYPE html title/title script window.addEventListener(DOMContentLoaded, function() { var ta =

Re: [whatwg] Pressure API?

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Jens M�ller wrote: now that device orientation, geolocation, camera etc. have been spec'ed: Is there any intent to provide an API for pressure sensors? This might well be the next hip feature in smartphones ... Oh, and while we are at it: Humidity probably belongs

Re: [whatwg] Browser inconsistencies in rendering optgroup and option

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Consider the following testcase (XHTML, but an equivalent DOM can be constructed in HTML, of course). !DOCTYPE html html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; body aaa optgroup bbb /optgroup ccc option ddd

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/4/11 6:15 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: No general security model can be built around requiring the user to understand the technical issues behind the security. Agreed. At the same time no general security model should be build around requiring users to make decisions based on no

Re: [whatwg] Browser inconsistencies in rendering optgroup and option

2011-01-04 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/4/11 7:47 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: 1) Gecko makes optgroup and option blocks (and applies some bold/italic/font-size styles to the optgroup, at least). 2) Presto renders the text in theoptgroup (which it treats as an inline) but doesn't render theoption at all. 3) Webkit

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Note that you keep comparing websites to desktop software, but desktop software typically doesn't change out from under the user (possibly in ways the original software developer didn't intend).  The desktop apps that do

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/4/11 10:51 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Boris Zbarskybzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Note that you keep comparing websites to desktop software, but desktop software typically doesn't change out from under the user (possibly in ways the original software developer

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: HTTPS already prevents MITM attacks and most others I've yet to see someone suggest restricting the asking UI to https sites (though I think it's something that obviously needs to happen).  As far as I can tell, things

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/5/11 12:29 AM, Glenn Maynard wrote: Stricter requirements like SSL makes more sense for the latter case. I'd put geolocation squarely in the first, lesser group. I wouldn't. Just because a user trusts some particular entity to know exactly where they are, doesn't mean they trust their

Re: [whatwg] whatwg Digest, Vol 82, Issue 10

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: I wouldn't.  Just because a user trusts some particular entity to know exactly where they are, doesn't mean they trust their stalker with that information.  I picked geolocation specifically, because that involves an