Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Rafael Rinaldi wrote: It looks complex because it tries to solve something complex. I think there’s no way to avoid verbosity to solve such thing. The way you avoid complexity in such things is that you

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Anselm Hannemann
On 09.11.2013, at 11:49, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.net wrote: On Saturday, November 09, 2013 12:53 AM, Bruno Racineux wrote: On 11/8/13 10:46 AM, Rafael Rinaldi rafael.rina...@gmail.com wrote: It looks complex because it tries to solve something complex. I think there¹s no way

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Rafael Rinaldi wrote: It looks complex because it tries to solve something complex. I think there’s no way to avoid verbosity to solve

Re: [whatwg] Viewing situations - Re: The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Markus Ernst derer...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 08.11.2013 16:47 schrieb Yoav Weiss: [1] http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/respimg/Overview.html Having a look at the proposal, and reading the thread especially with regard to complexity and verbosity, I got the

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ilya Grigorik igrigo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: It's easy to look at something more complex than what you're used to and dismiss all the excess as unneeded, but it's really, seriously not in

Re: [whatwg] Viewing situations - Re: The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-11-10 19:36, Markus Ernst wrote: Having a look at the proposal, and reading the thread especially with regard to complexity and verbosity, I got the impression that @src-n shares a main objection with @srcset and picture, that it mixes up content and design to some extent. That would be

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ilya Grigorik igrigo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: It's easy to look at something more complex than what you're used to and

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Nov 10, 2013 11:39 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ilya Grigorik igrigo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Viewing situations - Re: The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 10.11.2013 19:48 schrieb Jukka K. Korpela: 2013-11-10 19:36, Markus Ernst wrote: Having a look at the proposal, and reading the thread especially with regard to complexity and verbosity, I got the impression that @src-n shares a main objection with @srcset and picture, that it mixes up

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Ilya Grigorik
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: I believe you're applying an inappropriately high standard of required agreement to this proposal, compared to what the usual required level is for something to be accepted. If Blink ships src-N and WebKit ships

Re: [whatwg] Viewing situations - Re: The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 10.11.2013 18:53 schrieb Tab Atkins Jr.: This proposal does not address Variable-Sized Images; handling the difficulty and verbosity of that is indeed centralized to the situations element, but that doesn't make it much better. I omitted variable-sized images indeed. The syntax you propose

Re: [whatwg] Viewing situations - Re: The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 10.11.2013 18:36 schrieb Markus Ernst: Moving the distinction of viewing situations to the head would have some advantages IMO: - Verbosity is centralized, thus has not to be repeated in every img element - The UA does not need to evaluate the same MQs again for every img in the content - In

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Adam Barth
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ilya Grigorik igrigo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: I believe you're applying an inappropriately high standard of required agreement to this proposal, compared to what the usual required level is

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Ilya Grigorik igrigo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: I believe you're applying an inappropriately high standard of required agreement to this proposal, compared to what the usual required level is for

Re: [whatwg] The src-N proposal

2013-11-10 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Rafael Rinaldi wrote: It looks complex because it tries to solve something complex. I think there’s no way to avoid verbosity to solve such