Re: [whatwg] Thanks --- HTML5 and frame accuracy

2011-02-21 Thread Rob Coenen
Yep- big up to everyone who helped us out! > largely as a thank you to all the folks in the wider what-wg communities > who came together to get frame-accuracy fixed. Credit go to the open > standards and open source communities around Webkit, Chrome and Mozilla > which made it happen: Andrew Sch

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-02-15 Thread Rob Coenen
Rather than trying to sum up all use cases I think that the media asset should be fully random accessible and frame accurate to cover any current and future us ecasse. You should be able to write Javascripts that tell the asset to go to any point in time. That way a web developer (or implementers

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-24 Thread Rob Coenen
This is a very interesting observation, I've been thinking what this means in terms of UI design for scrubbars/players and there's a design limitation with (traditional) seekbars: Seekbars tend to have a physical length in pixels, meaning that there's a physical limitation how precise one can move

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-21 Thread Rob Coenen
I still want the API to support seeks to exact frames. eg when I build some GUI that allows the user to click on a button that says "explosion shot 1 at 00:31:02.15" then I want the player to seek to 00:31:02.15 exactly and not to say, 00:31:02.01 simply b/c that's where a keyframe happens to be.

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-18 Thread Rob Coenen
I'm really happy to see that Chromium has landed a fix for frame-accurate seeking, making SMPTE timecode compliant operations with HTML5 video possible. The fix for Firefox is underway ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626273 ) and I have filed bugs at both Webkit/Safari ( https://bugs

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-12 Thread Rob Coenen
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Jeroen Wijering wrote: > > Alternatively, one could look at a step() function instead of a > seek(pos,exact) function. The step function can be used for frame-accurate > controls. e.g. step(2) or step(-1). The advantage over a seek(pos,exact) > function (and the p

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Rob Coenen wrote: > > Hi David- that is b/c in an ideal world I'd want to seek to a time > expressed > > as a SMPTE timecode (think web apps that let users step x frames back, > seek > > y frames forward etc.).

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
David I agree- however that's common practice in any video editing tool, in any digital video camera, etc. It's the defacto industry standard for anyone working with digital video. I'm just trying to make readers of this list aware of the fact that HTML5 does a great job in video-play back, but th

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
f the 4th, and so on. > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 18:54 , Rob Coenen wrote: > > > just a follow up question in relation to SMPTE / frame accurate playback: > As > > far as I can tell there is nothing specified in the HTML5 specs that will > > allow us to determine the actua

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
tools in HTML5 that allow to access each individual frame and do other things than simply playing back the movie in a linear fashion from beginning to end. -Rob On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Chris Pearce wrote: > On 12/01/2011 10:58 a.m., Rob Coenen wrote: > >> Intresting- I didn&

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
expose the FPS property as meta-data to the web browser alongside the 'duration' property? -Rob On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Eric Carlson wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Rob Coenen wrote: > > Eric, not sure if I understand what you mean. Are you referring to > digi

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
Eric, not sure if I understand what you mean. Are you referring to digitally encoded files where frame #1 has a different duration than frame #2? On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Eric Carlson wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Rob Coenen wrote: > > > just a follow up question

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-11 Thread Rob Coenen
ediaGuide/UsingHTTPLiveStreaming/UsingHTTPLiveStreaming.html > > http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear3.html > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Rob Coenen wrote: > >> Thanks for the update. >> I have been testing with WebKit nightly / 75294 on MacOSX 10.6.6 /

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-10 Thread Rob Coenen
Jan 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Rob Coenen wrote: > > I have written a simple test using a H264 video with burned-in timecode > (every frame is visually marked with the actual SMPTE timecode) > Webkit is unable to seek to the correct timecode using 'currentTime', it's &g

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-09 Thread Rob Coenen
eckon it simply seeks to the nearest keyframe? -Rob On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Eric Carlson wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Rob Coenen wrote: > > > > > are there any plans on adding frame accuracy and/or SMPTE support to > HTML5 > > video? > > >

[whatwg] HTML5 video: frame accuracy / SMPTE

2011-01-07 Thread Rob Coenen
Hello list, are there any plans on adding frame accuracy and/or SMPTE support to HTML5 video? As far as I know it's currently impossible to play HTML5 video frame-by-frame, or seek to a SMPTE compliant (frame accurate) time-code. The nearest seek seems to be precise to roughly 1-second (or neares