Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control

2014-01-27 Thread Yoav Weiss
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: On 1/26/14 3:39 PM, Qebui Nehebkau qebui.nehebkau+wha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: What exactly do you find misguided, can you be more specific?

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-26 Thread Qebui Nehebkau
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: What exactly do you find misguided, can you be more specific? Basically, - and I'm trying not to over-elaborate here, since my opinion isn't really very important - I just mean that I don't think there should be any

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control

2014-01-26 Thread Bruno Racineux
On 1/26/14 3:39 PM, Qebui Nehebkau qebui.nehebkau+wha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: What exactly do you find misguided, can you be more specific? Basically, - and I'm trying not to over-elaborate here, since my opinion isn't

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-24 Thread David Newton
On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 1/23/14 9:13 PM, Bruno Racineux wrote: Could 'resource control' be an associated spec of the 'hidden' attribute? It bothers me, at first glance, to overload the attribute to mean different things. I predict people will

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-24 Thread Bruno Racineux
On 1/24/14 7:35 AM, David Newton da...@davidnewton.ca wrote: On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 1/23/14 9:13 PM, Bruno Racineux wrote: Could 'resource control' be an associated spec of the 'hidden' attribute? It bothers me, at first glance, to overload

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-24 Thread Qebui Nehebkau
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: The requirement for ATs with 'hidden' is to access the structure of hidden elements. Not the presentation aspect... I am having a hard time translating that a resources that is not yet needed or is no longer needed means

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-24 Thread Bruno Racineux
On 1/24/14 7:37 PM, Qebui Nehebkau qebui.nehebkau+wha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: The requirement for ATs with 'hidden' is to access the structure of hidden elements. Not the presentation aspect... I am having a hard time

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-23 Thread Bruno Racineux
On 1/22/14 6:07 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 1/22/14 8:14 PM, Bruno Racineux wrote: Meanwhile, is there a way in which all vendors can prevent their pre-loaders from preloading (and loading at all for that matter) any img that has either: An html5 hidden attribute This is

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-23 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Racineux br...@hexanet.net wrote: On 1/22/14 6:07 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 1/22/14 8:14 PM, Bruno Racineux wrote: Meanwhile, is there a way in which all vendors can prevent their pre-loaders from preloading (and loading at all for that

Re: [whatwg] 'hidden' as resources control (Was: Simplified picture element draft)

2014-01-23 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 1/23/14 9:13 PM, Bruno Racineux wrote: Then how come it is the case right now for both: object style=display:none data=image.png Gecko's preloader never preloads objects. There are various reasons for this, but the most important one is that in practice it doesn't matter for actual web