As the Eolas or RIM cases show, patent trolls can wait for a very long time
until they are sure that their victim has no way out. It does not prove
that Theora is clean that Google has not been sued yet.
IMHO,
Chris
Small authors are hardly an alternative to YouTube because they use YouTube
(or a similar service) to publish their content. Neither do YouTube publish
most of the stuff on their own; they only allow the authors to do it using
YT technology.
In short, if you do not have the know-how to serve your
For those of you that are concerned whether Microsoft will support web
video: Internet Explorer already does, albeit in the Microsoft WayT:
* dynsrc Property (IMG, INPUT, INPUT type=image, ...)
URL:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533742(VS.85).aspx
:-)
2009/7/6 Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl:
Small authors are hardly an alternative to YouTube because they use YouTube
(or a similar service) to publish their content.
[snip]
In short, if you do not have the know-how to serve your video content, you
will just use YouTube and never
On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:52 AM, Lino Mastrodomenico wrote:
HTML5 solves this problem because now the player is embedded in the
browser, so I started using video src=whatever.ogv and hiding the
YouTube object blurb inside it as a fallback. This should work with
every browser (except maybe Safari
[to list as well, oops]
-- Forwarded message --
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
Date: 2009/7/6
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Chipset support is a good argument
To: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
2009/7/6 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch:
Given the volume of support Theora has gotten without
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
You've expressed something similar in a couple of the other threads as
well, and I find it puzzling. It's true that if you spec things that
will never be implemented, it harms the integrity of the spec. But on
the other hand, if you allow any one
2009/7/6 Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com:
Here's an example of some markup that will work on a wide range of browsers,
if you provide Ogg and MP4 versions of your video:
http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody. The MP4 version can be
played either through video in browsers that
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
It's not the standard alone that makes it happen. The standard is for
the general market neither a necessary nor a sufficient requirement
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
It's not the standard alone that makes it happen. The standard is for
the general market neither a necessary nor a sufficient requirement for
uptake. However, for the individual vendor,
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:02:51 + (UTC), Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
You've expressed something similar in a couple of the other threads as
well, and I find it puzzling. It's true that if you spec things that
will never be implemented, it
On Jul 6, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Lino Mastrodomenico wrote:
(BTW, canPlayType in Safari 4.0 seems buggy: it always
returns no, even with XiphQT installed).
That was fixed just after Safari 4.0 shipped, it should work in
WebKit nightly builds. See http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/43972.
eric
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
Seriously? If I were to declare that I, as a browser vendor, will not
support anything in HTML5 that wasn't in HTML4, would you actually
remove all the new additions from the HTML5 spec?
Not immediately, but if you had notable market share and we
Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
I'm not sure whether specs can create demand, and frankly, I find it somewhat
irrelevant to the point at hand. The fact is there is already demand for a
single encoding format that will be compatible with as many browsers as
possible. The only question is what that
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Joshua Cranmerpidgeo...@verizon.net wrote:
Perhaps what could break the deadlock would be Apple conceding to
implementing Theora, or Mozilla conceding to implementing H.264. In either
case, the decision to implement would most likely be a result of market
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
I agree with 80% of your reponses to the Codecs for audio and video
conversation. However, I think that you are underestimating the
influencing power of the spec with regarding to available hardware
support. Hardcoding a spec in hardware is a very
2009/7/5 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
[...]
On the other side, I'm firmly convinced that some vested interest could
lobby and even pay the chipmakers for having them not adding support to Ogg.
This is a free market, isn't it?
As you say, it's a free
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Sam Kuper wrote:
2009/7/5 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
[...]
On the other side, I'm firmly convinced that some vested interest could
lobby and even pay the chipmakers for having them not adding support to
Ogg.
This is a free
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a feature
will be supported, by adding a well-known
On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't
generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
A spec for Theora through a formal standards process might more effectively
focus latent demand than a mention in the HTML spec.
You may be right, but that is an orthogonal issue.
Rob
--
He was pierced for our
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't generate.
Specs do generate demand --- by creating
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then compete on.
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
I agree:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maciej Stachowiakm...@apple.com wrote:
On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
For that to happen there has to be
some demand for Theora support, though, which the spec's can't
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
It's not the standard alone that makes it happen. The standard is for
the general market neither a necessary nor a sufficient requirement for
uptake. However, for the individual vendor, a standard and the
perception that the market is adopting it
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Some authors want a royalty-free video codec. We have an implementation,
Theora. I believe linking HTML5 to it would increase author demand for
it to be supported in all browsers, and help those authors make a
stronger case.
Given the volume
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Eric Flores wrote:
The point is that there is no decided roadmap.
There was one, and has been recently dropped.
Actually there has never been a roadmap on this issue.
My point is that thinking that the free market will solve the issue by
any of the two routes that
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
1) Do you agree with my view that specifying Theora for the video
element would result in a self-fulfilling prophecy?
No. I don't think it would make any difference to what browsers implement,
and as far as I can tell, what browsers implement is the
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Specs do generate demand --- by creating author expectation that a
feature will be supported, by adding a well-known brand, and because
test suites get created which vendors then compete on.
On
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:06:25 + (UTC), Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote:
Or do you think it is better to pick a side that has a good shot at
winning, even if it means that some vendors may be non-compliant with
the spec?
I think it would
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