[whatwg] ARIA semantics of implied rows

2014-09-26 Thread Daniel Trebbien
Hi WHATWG, ยง4.9.12 Processing model ( https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/tables.html#processing-model-3 ) currently states: A *row* is a complete set of slots from x=0 to x=x_width-1, for a particular value of y. Rows usually correspond to tr elements, though a row group can have some

Re: [whatwg] ARIA semantics of implied rows

2014-09-26 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Trebbien dtrebb...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/appendices#html_dtd DTDs have nothing to do with what you're seeing here. They're best ignored. One issue is that the ARIA semantics for implied rows are not defined. I'm not sure I

Re: [whatwg] ARIA semantics of implied rows

2014-09-26 Thread Daniel Trebbien
(sorry, forgot to copy the list) On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Trebbien dtrebb...@gmail.com wrote: ... One issue is that the ARIA semantics for implied rows are not defined. I'm not sure I understand

Re: [whatwg] ARIA semantics of implied rows

2014-09-26 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Daniel Trebbien dtrebb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Trebbien dtrebb...@gmail.com wrote: One issue is that the ARIA semantics for implied rows are not

Re: [whatwg] ARIA semantics of implied rows

2014-09-26 Thread Daniel Trebbien
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Daniel Trebbien dtrebb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Trebbien

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-20 Thread Martin Janecke
Am 19.06.2013 um 20:53 schrieb Ian Hickson: [...] I've changed the spec to make figure applicable to your use case as well, and added more text to explain various use cases and whether they apply to figure. Let me know if the new text is still problematic for your use case. I agree that

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-19 Thread Martin Janecke
Am 17.06.2013 um 22:58 schrieb Ian Hickson: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, Martin Janecke wrote: Am 17.06.2013 um 11:35 schrieb Steve Faulkner: the restriction on figure/figcaption is only in the whawtg spec not the W3C HTML spec as it was not deemed a useful or practical restriction when reviewed

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Martin Janecke wrote: Am 17.06.2013 um 22:58 schrieb Ian Hickson: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, Martin Janecke wrote: Am 17.06.2013 um 11:35 schrieb Steve Faulkner: the restriction on figure/figcaption is only in the whawtg spec not the W3C HTML spec as it was not deemed a

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-18 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi again, forgot to mention that the requirements for conformance checkers implementation requirements do differ due to differing the author requirement. so in W3C HTML validator: this results in an error img title=poot In validator.nu it doesn't -- Regards SteveF HTML 5.1

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Janecke
Am 17.06.2013 um 11:35 schrieb Steve Faulkner: Is there a chance that use of aria-labelledby is added to the spec (4.8.1.1.13 Guidance for markup generators, 4.8.1.1.14 Guidance for conformance checkers) as alternative to figure with figcaption or the title attribute? I'd like to suggest

Re: [whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-17 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, Martin Janecke wrote: Am 17.06.2013 um 11:35 schrieb Steve Faulkner: the restriction on figure/figcaption is only in the whawtg spec not the W3C HTML spec as it was not deemed a useful or practical restriction when reviewed by the HTML WG. Sounds lovely, this

[whatwg] @aria-labelledby | Re: @generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt, figure with figcaption

2013-06-16 Thread Martin Janecke
Am 07.06.2013 um 23:13 schrieb Ian Hickson: img src=... title=image If you have a caption from the user (as opposed to replacement text), then this is a perfectly valid option. It's as valid as the figure case, and means the same thing. [...] I don't know whether someones writes

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Dave Hodder wrote: The current HTML 5 draft doesn't mention ARIA anywhere. Perhaps it should clarify the relationship (or non-relationship as it is at present), even if it's only a brief mention in section 1.1. There's a section on it now. On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, James

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-11 Thread Aaron Leventhal
Jim Jewett wrote: I think the question is more about how the HTML elements themselves interact. For example,tr elements should probably be interpreted by default astr aria-role=row because that is part of the semantics of tr. In some cases, the default mapping will also depend on other

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-07 Thread James Graham
Aaron Leventhal wrote: James Graham wrote: Dave Hodder wrote: The current HTML 5 draft doesn't mention ARIA anywhere. Perhaps it should clarify the relationship (or non-relationship as it is at present), even if it's only a brief mention in section 1.1. Unfortunately a brief mention is

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-07 Thread James Graham
Aaron Leventhal wrote: On the other hand for the landmark roles which specify semantics but not behavior, I would agree that sticking with HTML elements is a better approach. Even if there is associated behavior for them, such as a hotkey, they will degrade well to older user agents. OK,

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-07 Thread John Foliot
James Graham wrote: What's the easiest way to test existing aria implementations on Mac/Linux (I don't have access to a Windows box)? Firefox 3 + Accessibility Extensions for Mozilla http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla/installation.php JF

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-07 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:56:22 -0800, John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Graham wrote: What's the easiest way to test existing aria implementations on Mac/Linux (I don't have access to a Windows box)? Firefox 3 + Accessibility Extensions for Mozilla

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-03-06 Thread Aaron Leventhal
James Graham wrote: Dave Hodder wrote: The current HTML 5 draft doesn't mention ARIA anywhere. Perhaps it should clarify the relationship (or non-relationship as it is at present), even if it's only a brief mention in section 1.1. Unfortunately a brief mention is insufficient as aria

Re: [whatwg] ARIA

2008-02-29 Thread James Graham
Dave Hodder wrote: The current HTML 5 draft doesn't mention ARIA anywhere. Perhaps it should clarify the relationship (or non-relationship as it is at present), even if it's only a brief mention in section 1.1. Unfortunately a brief mention is insufficient as aria functionality overlaps

[whatwg] ARIA (was: Re: Thoughts on HTML 5)

2008-02-28 Thread Dave Hodder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As for my suggestion of reldata, my intent is to use the attribute for any type of data related to the element. The role attribute is intended to be used (from my understanding) to designate what role the element is playing on the page. This is not an