Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-26 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Hi Steve, you are trying to keep it technical by picking one example. But I guess you are missing a point, this is not technical issue here, this is not about choosing, this is about market. I do understand, that HTML is more than a set of tags and rules to use them, there are a lot of differe

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-26 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Bronslav - keeping to the technical as per hixi'e request you wrote: " both derives their authority from browser vendors - "specification" not supported by majority of browsers is irrelevant, developers can only work with what is in the browser (plugins are becoming obsolete, as it would seem

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-25 20:40, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called "HTML5" and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. Is this the lon

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > > Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new > branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called > "HTML5" and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. > Is this the long term project name, or just

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 25 July 2012 18:12, Ian Hickson wrote: > > To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: > > If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask > on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is > discouraged on this mailing

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is discouraged on this mailing list so that we can maintain a high technical sign

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 25 juil. 2012 à 10:04, David Bruant a écrit : >> W3C forgot that. > Who did? I mean, the actual people. Nobody forgot. The discussions are not about WHATWG vs W3C. This is nonsense. There W3C is not a monolithic bloc either. Most of the browser engineers working on whatwg lists, IRC channels,

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:55, Steve Faulkner wrote: hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: "In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:52, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Steve Faulkner
hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: "In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C group doesn't demonstrate any serious lapses

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of W

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG draf

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG draf

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Canonical means neither "correct" nor "accurate", those words have no meaning in this case, you cannot apply them on set of rules (you first have to have set of rules, to claim, whether something is accurate or correct within the boundaries of those rules), canonical means, that those set of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 13:45, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; "The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies" The cla

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; "The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies" The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical app

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 July 2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: > Hi Hixie, > > I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; > > "The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the > canonical description of HTML and related technologies" > > The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical appe

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-20 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; "The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies" The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical appears to imply that the requirements and advice contained with

[whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
If you've been happily ignoring the W3C's involvement with HTML these past few years, you can stop reading now. If you got a bunch of bugmail recently and want to know why, the explanation is below. A few years ago (around 2007), we started working with the W3C on what we were then unofficial

[whatwg] Administrivia

2012-04-23 Thread Ian Hickson
Last year the W3C introduced a new framework for people developing specifications, which they call "Community Groups" (CGs). Since then we have moved a few parts of the HTML standard under CGs, most notably Aryeh's HTML Editing APIs specification [1], which replaced the old execCommand() spec

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: > > > > There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly > > equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. > > W3C staff report through a variety of documented means to their > stakeholders (including at regular events,

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-31 Thread Dan Brickley
Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG "membership" (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited du

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-30 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 31 mars 2008 à 10:43, Ian Hickson a écrit : There's no public accountability for this group, no. It's roughly equivalent to W3C staff, except that it is not a paid position. If you really want your metaphor flies… You could have said "it's roughly equivalent to W3C Members of Advisory C

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: > > Ian Hickson wrote: > > FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG "membership" (as > > defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I > > have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-30 Thread Dan Brickley
Hi Ian, Ian Hickson wrote: FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG "membership" (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight gro

[whatwg] Administrivia: new member in the oversight committee

2008-03-28 Thread Ian Hickson
FYI, Anne van Kesteren was just invited to join the WHATWG "membership" (as defined by our charter, basically that's the small group of people whom I have to answer to in my role as editor). He was invited due to his long involvement in the WHATWG. This oversight group doesn't do much and this