Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-02-01 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 2/1/11 11:47 AM, Adam de Boor wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found the

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-02-01 Thread Adam de Boor
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: > > On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found > > > > the diagnostic

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > It appears you're actually talking about ClickOnce manifests, not SxS > manifests (though they use the same format). > (In that particular case, SxS manifests distributed standalone for people to drop into application installations when troub

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > > Given that SxS manifests don't seem like they'd ever be something > > you'd want to make available to download standalone, and that if you > > were going to expose them to a user you'd want a

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > > > > That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest > > > > to text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.man

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Glenn Maynard wrote: >On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: >> > That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to >> > text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for SxS >> > assembly manifests. >> >> Do they have a MIME type? If not, it doesn'

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > > That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest > > > to text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for > > > SxS assembly manifests. > > > > Do they have

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to > > text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for SxS > > assembly manifests. > > Do they have a MIME type? If not, it doesn't much matter. > It does if

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, David John Burrowes wrote: > > > > > > I can understand wanting to do things right, in terms of using > > > Content-Type for the file. I can also attest that it can be a royal

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, David John Burrowes wrote: > > > > I can understand wanting to do things right, in terms of using > > Content-Type for the file. I can also attest that it can be a royal > > pain to diagnose when this is set wrong. I won

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: > On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > > > > > XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly > > > remove the media type check and resort to using the "CACHE MANIFEST" > > >

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread David John Burrowes
On 2010/8/13, at 上午6:42, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:02:01 +0200, Patrick Mueller > wrote: >> On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the me

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:02:01 +0200, Patrick Mueller wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the media type check and resort to using the "CACHE MANIFEST" identifier (

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found the diagnostic information available to be sorely lacking. For example, to diagnose user-land errors that occur when using appcache, this is t

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the media type check and resort to using the "CACHE MANIFEST" identifier (i.e. "sniffing"), but the HTTP gods will get angry. Yeah,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-12 Thread Joseph Pecoraro
On Aug 12, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: >> These quotas are often global, some kind of user setting, or are >> per-origin. Application Caches are missing such a quota. >> >> The entire "Disk Space" section of Web SQL Databases could equally apply >> to Application Caches: http://dev.w3.

[whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: > > There seems to be a race condition in how application cache groups are > marked obsolete. Consider the following scenario: > > 1. A document is loaded from server, an appcache is fully created. > 2. Appcache update is initiated (e.g. by calling