Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-12-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Chris Pearce wrote: In the description of the media ready states for HAVE_ENOUGH_DATA [1], the spec says: | If the autoplaying flag is true, and the paused attribute is true, and | the media element has an autoplay attribute specified, and the media | element is in a

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: OK, you are right.  If a script wants to annoy me, it can.  And boy, do some web designers not know how annoying that can be :-( I think browsers will have to develop APIs, both for AT users and non-AT-users which allow

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-22 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I think browsers will have to develop APIs, both for AT users and non-AT-users which allow things like indicating which window is playing audio, as well as tell it to mute (without allowing the page to unmute) a given

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I think browsers will have to develop APIs, both for AT users and non-AT-users which allow things like indicating which window is playing

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-18 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:01:00 +0200, Chris Pearce ch...@pearce.org.nz wrote: In the description of the media ready states for HAVE_ENOUGH_DATA [1], the spec says: If the autoplaying flag http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#autoplaying-flag is true, and

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-18 Thread David Singer
isn't autoplaying a media element over which the user may well have no control (unless the page offers a script to control it), inappropriate? David Singer Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-18 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:57 PM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: isn't autoplaying a media element over which the user may well have no control (unless the page offers a script to control it), inappropriate? Maybe, but elements not in a document can only be created by script in the

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-18 Thread David Singer
OK, you are right. If a script wants to annoy me, it can. And boy, do some web designers not know how annoying that can be :-( On Oct 18, 2010, at 16:59 , Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:57 PM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: isn't autoplaying a media element over

[whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-17 Thread Chris Pearce
In the description of the media ready states for HAVE_ENOUGH_DATA [1], the spec says: If the autoplaying flag http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#autoplaying-flag is true, and the |paused

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-17 Thread timeless
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Chris Pearce ch...@pearce.org.nz wrote: Unless there's a good reason not to, and since most browsers have implemented autoplay when not in a document anyway, perhaps we should update the spec to match the implemented behaviour? Accessibility tools only have

Re: [whatwg] Autoplaying media elements not in a document

2010-10-17 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:22 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Chris Pearce ch...@pearce.org.nz wrote: Unless there's a good reason not to, and since most browsers have implemented autoplay when not in a document anyway, perhaps we should update the