Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-21 Thread MegaZone
Once upon a time Colin Lieberman shaped the electrons to say... > Certainly that's reasonable. Yes, you are absolutely right insofar as FF > goes, although I'm not 100% convinced that authors should be left in the > driver's seat; this may be something best left 100% in the hands of UA. The UA c

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-21 Thread Colin Lieberman
Gervase Markham wrote: Before doing that, it might make sense to consult the accessibility teams of the UA vendors. In Mozilla's case, that's Aaron Leventhal. I believe that there have been recent changes to this property to better allow keyboard accessibility of DHTML widgets: http://develope

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-21 Thread Gervase Markham
Colin Lieberman wrote: Drop tabindex altogether. It's just not useful. Before doing that, it might make sense to consult the accessibility teams of the UA vendors. In Mozilla's case, that's Aaron Leventhal. I believe that there have been recent changes to this property to better allow keyboa

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-21 Thread Colin Lieberman
Drop tabindex altogether. It's just not useful. See the Web Accessibility Initiative Interest Group discussion on the subject: http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/search?type-index=w3c-wai-ig&index-type=t&keywords=tabindex&search=Search Tabindex is not a substitute for poorly organized docum

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-20 Thread Arve Bersvendsen
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:16:41 +0100, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) The "tab order" should be up to the user. In Opera you can navigate in any direction you want using e.g. Shift+arrows, allowing you to freely navigate in tables for instance. The author shouldn't have any say

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Dropping tabindex /might/ make sense if HTML5 was to be so feature complete that no-one would ever build a DHTML widget out of generic elements ever again. Is this likely to be the case? Because, if not, tabindex looks like part of a solution: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Key-navigable_cus

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Simon Pieters wrote: Hi, I think tabindex="" has a number of problems: 1) Lacking a feature to scope tabindexes into local contexts, which I proposed[1] a while back, makes the feature rather useless for its intended purpose (which, AIUI, was to provide a mean

Re: [whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-20 Thread ddailey
Simon Pieters writes: The "tab order" should be up to the user. In Opera you can navigate in any direction you want using e.g. Shift+arrows, allowing you to freely navigate in tables for instance. The author shouldn't have any say about the tab order other than the source order. In a table, I t

[whatwg] Drop tabindex=""

2007-03-20 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, I think tabindex="" has a number of problems: 1) Lacking a feature to scope tabindexes into local contexts, which I proposed[1] a while back, makes the feature rather useless for its intended purpose (which, AIUI, was to provide a means for the author to suggest a different tab order t