Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:24:10 +0200, Mike Wilcox wrote: I'm perplexed at the resistance. We've tried telling our clients not to use IE6, "IE8 is much faster". But inevitably, we have to make it work. This is not nytimes.com. There's http://whatwg.org/html and http://whatwg.org/C available f

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-12 Thread Mike Wilcox
I'm perplexed at the resistance. We've tried telling our clients not to use IE6, "IE8 is much faster". But inevitably, we have to make it work. Mike Wilcox http://clubajax.org m...@mikewilcox.net On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 8/11/10 9:17 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> O

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/11/10 9:17 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: On 8/11/10, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 8/11/10 11:48 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: javascript:var start = new Date(); function f(n) { for (var k = n.firstChild; k; k = n.nextSibling) f(k); } f(document); alert(new Date() - start) Er, that had a typo. The cor

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Garrett Smith
On 8/11/10, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 8/11/10 11:48 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: >> javascript:var start = new Date(); function f(n) { for (var k = >> n.firstChild; k; k = n.nextSibling) f(k); } f(document); alert(new >> Date() - start) > > Er, that had a typo. The correct script is: > > javascript:v

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/11/10 11:48 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: javascript:var start = new Date(); function f(n) { for (var k = n.firstChild; k; k = n.nextSibling) f(k); } f(document); alert(new Date() - start) Er, that had a typo. The correct script is: javascript:var start = new Date(); function f(n) { for (var

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/11/10 10:31 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: It would have been more helpful to explain, if you can, the cause of the slowness in Firefox.. Sure thing. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481131#c12 (the paragraph starting "The time") and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Garrett Smith
On 8/11/10, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 8/11/10 3:49 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> I'm running Firefox 3.6.4 on windows 7 > > Which has a known performance bug with a particular reasonably rare > class of DOM mutations. The only way for the spec to avoid performing > such mutations is to not add the

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/11/10 3:49 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: I'm running Firefox 3.6.4 on windows 7 Which has a known performance bug with a particular reasonably rare class of DOM mutations. The only way for the spec to avoid performing such mutations is to not add the annotation boxes (which is what it will

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-11 Thread Garrett Smith
On 8/10/10, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Garrett Smith wrote: >> >> This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-08-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Garrett Smith wrote: > > This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in > charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec > please remove that? > > The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes [...] That sounds like a

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-09 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2010-07-08 19:18, Diego Perini wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Lachlan Huntwrote: As a workaround, you can use AdBlock in Firefox to block the offending script. Just manually add this URL to your block list. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/status.js The problem is

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Garrett Smith
On 7/8/10, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > On 2010-07-08 02:28, Garrett Smith wrote: >> This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is that that whatwg page causes freeze

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:18 +0200, Diego Perini wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Lachlan Hunt > wrote: > > On 2010-07-08 02:28, Garrett Smith wrote: > > This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can > the person in >

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Diego Perini
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > On 2010-07-08 02:28, Garrett Smith wrote: > >> This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is that that wh

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Diego Perini
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Jul 8, 2010, at 00:45, Diego Perini wrote: > > > I do not see the reason of having a specification lecture also be a > stress-test. > > > > As Aaron already said I just want to be able to read the specs. > > > > A button at the top maybe t

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jul 8, 2010, at 00:45, Diego Perini wrote: > I do not see the reason of having a specification lecture also be a > stress-test. > > As Aaron already said I just want to be able to read the specs. > > A button at the top maybe to switch to the stress-test ? It's not primarily a stress test.

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2010-07-08 02:28, Garrett Smith wrote: This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec please remove that? The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. i As a workaround, y

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-08 Thread Diego Perini
I do not see the reason of having a specification lecture also be a stress-test. As Aaron already said I just want to be able to read the specs. A button at the top maybe to switch to the stress-test ? Diego On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 7/7/10 5:43 PM, Aaron Bood

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/7/10 5:43 PM, Aaron Boodman wrote: I hear this every so often. Do we really need the spec to double as a browser stress test? I mean, there are actual test suites nowadays. I just want to read the spec. I'll just note that part of the reason it's a "stress test", apart from the old Firefo

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/7/10 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. May I recommend trying out Firefox 4 beta 1? ;) -Boris

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Aaron Boodman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >>> This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >>> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Smith
On 7/7/10, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is that that whatwg pa

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in > charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec > please remove that? > > > The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. i

[whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Smith
This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec please remove that? The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. i When it doesn't throw errors, it freezes Firefox. This is is u