Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-26 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:57 PM, Matthew Sotoudeh matthew...@outlook.com wrote: Hello! By way of introduction, I'm an author who reads some of these mailing lists but (almost) never replies. This proposal is quite interesting, wanted to throw in my two cents as well: 1. Would

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-25 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 03/24/2015 04:50 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: I see JavaScript as a useful tool that is seriously abused by many devs, I'm against this. But if you do it, make damn sure it has proper CSP support. I would like to clarify that when I say I am against this, I am not opposed to the

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-25 Thread Janusz Majnert
On 24.03.2015 21:29, Bobby Mozumder wrote: Also, I'm a little terrified of having SQL directly in the markup. There's so much potential for that to go horribly wrong. Personally, I feel things that involve data retrieval should be better handled by endpoints that return HTML, XML, or JSON.

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-25 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 03/25/2015 12:39 AM, Janusz Majnert wrote: OK. This makes no sense for me. So you propose that the server does simple translation of SQL from url to actual query, but you don't see any security issue with this? If on the other hand you're proposing that the server validates the sql sent

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-25 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 25, 2015, at 3:39 AM, Janusz Majnert j.majn...@samsung.com wrote: OK. This makes no sense for me. So you propose that the server does simple translation of SQL from url to actual query, but you don't see any security issue with this? If on the other hand you're proposing that the

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
As an author I shall offer my 2 cents too. First off, I'm for native implementations and all that markup and CSS can do on _existing_ content. Thus said, I prefer having JS manipulating the content with AJAX than having the markup doing that. Apart from the concept that markup itself is being

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Neal Gompa
I think I can firmly say that I'm not in the JS all the things camp. I do see the reasoning behind this, but I'd like to point out that not everyone in the world would like to use the MVC model. Personally, I don't mind it (since it offers a logical separation of data, presentation, and

[whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
https://github.com/mozumder/HTML6 I’ll be updating that Github with more ideas and refinement about the proposal with occasional feedback into this list. Since this is getting some attention it’s probably better to place the ideas in a setting that can be updated/modified than to discuss it

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Andrea Rendine master.skywalker...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to openly oppose to this project, as I'm anyway curious about how it will be developed. It's only that I have seen a lot of elements used outside their proper dynamics. I don't see HTML as a

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
For the first time in my life I support JavaScript. But I want to see where this idea will go. Here other 2 virtual cents: please, if it ends up as a way to improve the template element somehow compatibly with the current standard, and if it reveals to be viable, try turning it into a proposal for

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 9:51 PM, delfin del...@segonquart.net wrote: Hi all: I agree with you all you have quoted, Rendine. * Neal : a problem in developing countries where low end devices are the norm, is _de facto_ THE norme , and was the need of web (standards). *

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread delfin
Hi all: I agree with you all you have quoted, Rendine. * Neal : a problem in developing countries where low end devices are the norm, is _de facto_ THE norme , and was the need of web (standards). * HTML6, if ever, must accomplish and adopt the so called _retro-conditions_,

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Matthew Sotoudeh
framework of your choice. Thanks, Matthew Sotoudeh From: mozum...@futureclaw.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:10:12 -0400 To: del...@segonquart.net CC: wha...@whatwg.org; master.skywalker...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Michael A. Peters
I see JavaScript as a useful tool that is seriously abused by many devs, I'm against this. But if you do it, make damn sure it has proper CSP support. On March 24, 2015 2:18:53 AM PDT, Bobby Mozumder mozum...@futureclaw.com wrote: https://github.com/mozumder/HTML6 I’ll be updating that Github

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Bobby Mozumder mozum...@futureclaw.com writes: Besides, when was the last time you actually wrote a static HTML file? Does anyone do that? I assume you asked a rhetorical question. Still, the answer is “Yes”. For every web site, people actually write templates, not HTML code. This is

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Neal Gompa ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: I think I can firmly say that I'm not in the JS all the things camp. I do see the reasoning behind this, but I'd like to point out that not everyone in the world would like to use the MVC model. Personally, I don't mind it

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Andrea Rendine master.skywalker...@gmail.com wrote: As an author I shall offer my 2 cents too. First off, I'm for native implementations and all that markup and CSS can do on _existing_ content. Thus said, I prefer having JS manipulating the content with AJAX

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
I don't want to openly oppose to this project, as I'm anyway curious about how it will be developed. It's only that I have seen a lot of elements used outside their proper dynamics. I don't see HTML as a templating language, but it's probably because I'm tied to current use cases, so I don't see