Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, and I think it should be. Old proposal: [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and othes, I don't

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, and I think it should be. Old proposal: [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Markus Ernst wrote: While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and othes, I don't think this is a big enough problem to deserve solutions more complicated than the soft hyphen at this time. Jukka Korpela stated that the intention of the soft hyphen

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Smylers
Markus Ernst writes: Ian Hickson schrieb: I don't think this is a big enough problem to deserve solutions more complicated than the soft hyphen at this time. Jukka Korpela stated that the intention of the soft hyphen is not actually a hyphenation hint:

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-11 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 11 Jan 2007, at 1:49PM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: Prince doesn't support exception dictionaries. Is it not possible to encode exceptions in the hyphenation dictionary? Yes, that should be possible, actually. The encoding of certain words in a default exception dictionary seems to be a design

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-11 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Øistein E. Andersen: (By the way, the term `dictionary' used to designate a set of hyphenation patterns that are not, in general, words, is quite confusing.) The term hypenation dictionary is quite common, but I see your point. What would be a better name for the property?

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-11 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 11 Jan 2007, at 5:33PM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: The term hypenation dictionary is quite common, but I see your point. What would be a better name for the property? hyphenation-pattern hypenation-list hypenation-resource Liang's paper `Word Hy-phen-a-tion by Com-put-er', in which the

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-10 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:47:46 -, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW this all makes just as much sense with dictionary replaced by stylesheet (stylesheets need to be kept in sync as new elements, classes and ids are used rather than new words). Not entirely. The layout and

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-10 Thread James Graham
Kornel Lesinski wrote: On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:47:46 -, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW this all makes just as much sense with dictionary replaced by stylesheet (stylesheets need to be kept in sync as new elements, classes and ids are used rather than new words). Not entirely.

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-10 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 20:22 +0200 UTC, on 2007-01-09, Henri Sivonen wrote: [...] * Not knowing Dutch, the example makes me guess that the diaeresis in Dutch has the same meaning as in French (indicate that vowels don't form a diphthong). If this is the case, the interaction of the diaeresis with hyphenation

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-10 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Sander Tekelenburg: FWIW, my feeling is that it would be best if there'd be a defined format for hyphenation rules, and browsers would accept such description files as a plug-in. This would allow each language's specialist to write their rules, and share them, without putting

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-10 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 02:19 +0100 UTC, on 2007-01-11, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: Also sprach Sander Tekelenburg: FWIW, my feeling is that it would be best if there'd be a defined format for hyphenation rules, and browsers would accept such description files [...] This format exists. It was pioneered by TeX

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Mikko Rantalainen
Øistein E. Andersen wrote: Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, and I think it should be. General discussion: [1] http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTML-hyphenation.html Old proposal: [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html [...] The proposal

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:02:54 +0100, Øistein E. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The controversy surrounding the meaning of shy; (U+00AD) is probably over, although Opera currently seems not to render this character in accordance with Unicode (IE7 and Safari seem to do the right thing;

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:04 +0100, Leons Petrazickis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that the first priority is getting a naive hyphenator into browsers. Since you only ever need hyphenation when full-justifying, I would suggest: align: hyphenated; In some typographical

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Alexey Feldgendler: I would suggest that the first priority is getting a naive hyphenator into browsers. Since you only ever need hyphenation when full-justifying, I would suggest: align: hyphenated; In some typographical traditions, non-full-justified text is

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 9, 2007, at 01:02, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: In summary, hyphenation is a hard problem: breaking points cannot in general be established algorithmically; hyphenation dictionaries are not always available and typically do not contain long/rare/complex words (the ones that really

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:03:04 -, Leons Petrazickis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that the first priority is getting a naive hyphenator into browsers. Since you only ever need hyphenation when full-justifying I disagree. It's also needed in narrow columns, even if they're

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-09 Thread James Graham
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Hyphenation dictionary supplied by the page seems like a good idea, but having it in head might cause some headaches in dynamic systems: * in some template systems adding anything to head is difficult * author may want to compose page from several independent fragments,

[whatwg] Hyphenation

2007-01-08 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, and I think it should be. General discussion: [1] http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTML-hyphenation.html Old proposal: [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html Babel (LaTeX i18n package) documentation: