Some thoughts about the Media Multitrack and TextAssociations specs --
and also about http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Timed_tracks...
The specs are great news in terms of accessibility and should open up
possibilities for search and temporal addressing. There may be cases
where it makes sense to
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:59:06 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1 to Henry's suggestion of just using two formats:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:49:38 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com
wrote:
I guess the problem is more with char sets.
For HTML
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:54:12 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com
wrote:
It would simply always be UTF-8, much like text/cache-manifest and
text/event-stream.
There are plenty of SRT files out there that
Henri Sivonen wrote:
Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote:
I actually quite like the general idea behind Silvia's
http://wiki.xiph.org/Timed_Divs_HTML
...
!doctype html
...
timerange start=1 end=2Hello/timerange
timerange start=10 end=12The End/timerange
...
The default stylesheet
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:00:06 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
CSS is much tighter linked to HTML than a timed text format. If your
UA happens to not support TTML, only one feature will be missing, i.e.
timed text on your video. That doesn't destroy your Web page. But lack
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:59:06 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1 to Henry's suggestion of just using two formats: SRT, and SRT +
(possibly some subset of) HTML+CSS, where the latter is simply a
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML?
The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology,
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
It would be helpful if the role values were
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
Understood. But what is actually the cost of
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:24:27 +0800, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
If TTML creates specs that cannot be mapped, then those are ignored.
All we are basically committing to would be that a best effort
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
If TTML creates specs that cannot be mapped, then those are
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:47:33 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:28:54 +0800, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:47:33 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer
On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Will implementations want to do the rendering of the subtitles off the
main thread? I believe many browsers are, or are planning to, render
the actual video graphics using a separate thread. If that is correct,
do we want to support
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Will implementations want to do the rendering of the subtitles off the
main thread? I believe many browsers are, or are planning to, render
the actual video graphics
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
Will implementations want to do the rendering of the subtitles off the
main thread? I believe many browsers are, or are planning to, render
the actual video graphics using a separate thread. If that is correct,
do we want
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com
wrote:
Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML?
The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology, so all it
takes is a bit more parsing code over time.
When implementing one
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:47:33 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML?
The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology, so all it
takes is a bit more parsing
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:47:33 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
On 10/04/10 10:41, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
This proposal introduces declarative markup to associate external
timed text resources (such as captions and subtitles) with a media
resource. It introducestrack andtrackgroup elements to be used
inside media elements and provides some recommendations
Hi Rob,
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote:
It would be helpful if the role values were defined.
Both proposals contain a list of roles - were you asking for a
registering mechanism or something? I'm confused.
If the text is rendered on top of the
Hi Chris,
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nz wrote:
On 10/04/10 10:41, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
This proposal introduces declarative markup to associate external
timed text resources (such as captions and subtitles) with a media
resource. It introducestrack
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required? The proposal suggests
'starting with the simplest profile', being the transformation profile. Does
this mean only the transformation profile is needed to provide
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required? The proposal suggests
'starting with the simplest profile', being the transformation
On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required? The proposal
suggests
That is also something that still has to be discussed further.
Initial
feedback
On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML?
The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology, so all it
takes is a bit more parsing code over time.
No, they all map onto XSL-FO. XSL-FO is not a real Web
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required? The
Hi all,
At the W3C there have been many discussions about how to introduce
accessibility for the media elements.
Over the last months, two proposals to improve the specification have
been developed within the media subgroup of the Accessibility Task
Force.
It is time to put them in front of a
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