Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread David Levin
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Peter Kasting wrote: > > > > On Tue, 17 May 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > > > Then why add an API when we've already got (IMO superior) declarative > > > markup? > > > > In the case of adding the API to the spec, because it's already > > implemented. As to why

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Peter Kasting wrote: > > As for AddSearchProvider(), I know one reason it was added to Chrome was > explicitly to expose the "and make default" functionality. > I've been informed that the "set default" part is going away in Chrome 17+ anyway, so since that will l

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Kasting
> > On Tue, 17 May 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > > Then why add an API when we've already got (IMO superior) declarative > > markup? > > In the case of adding the API to the spec, because it's already > implemented. As to why it was added to the browsers, no idea. Certainly there's no declara

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:39, Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: > >> > >> I don't like having the only barrier between changing the default > >> search engine for a user's browser be a single dialog box. This list > >> (an

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/16/11, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: >> I'd rather see UA's implement better controls on their end than see an >> API which could be largely abused. (Drag and drop browser controls over >> tons of sites asking for permission to be the default.) > > I agree. Not

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Adam Shannon
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:39, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: >> >> I don't like having the only barrier between changing the default search >> engine for a user's browser be a single dialog box. This list (and >> others) have repeatedly found that dialogs don't work

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: > > I don't like having the only barrier between changing the default search > engine for a user's browser be a single dialog box. This list (and > others) have repeatedly found that dialogs don't work and users skip > past them. > > Think of the non-te

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Adam Shannon
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:29, Ian Hickson wrote: >> AddSearchProvider(string openSearchUrl, [optional] bool asDefault) >> retrieves the open search document from openSearchUrl and decides in a >> UA specific manner whether to prompt the user about the change or >> addition. > > I haven't specifie

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, David Levin wrote: > > Although the default search provider may have a significant impact on a > user�s web experience, it isn�t easy for users to set this. > > Ideally, a search engine should be able to offer the user the ability to > easily use it as the default. Currently,

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-19 Thread timeless
> This should be rare as annoying and confusing your users typically isn't a > good business strategy. Not all strategies involve wanting to keep normal, happy, satisfied customers. Spammers and other fraudsters seem to be perfectly happy with things where they capture things like the default sea

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-18 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 2/16/11, David Levin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius > wrote: > >> > 2. When a user decides to use it, they have to follow a set of complex >> >> instructions (http://www.google.com/search?q=switch+default+search+engines >> ) >> > >> Annoying implementation issue. h

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-16 Thread David Levin
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > > 2. When a user decides to use it, they have to follow a set of complex > > instructions (http://www.google.com/search?q=switch+default+search+engines > ) > > > Annoying implementation issue. http://bugzilla.mozilla.com/enter_bug.cgi >

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-15 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Kornel Lesi?ski wrote: >Change of default search engine may have security implications — there are >less tech-savvy people who rely on search engine for *everything* they do >on the net and blindly trust the results (see famous "facebook login" >case). (There are in fact many people who do

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-15 Thread Kornel Lesiński
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:34:27 -, David Levin wrote: IsSearchProviderInstalled(string url) returns * 2 if the origin in the given url is the default search provider * 1 if the origin in the given url is a search provider but not the default. * 0 otherwise If the given url doesn’t hav

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-15 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 2/14/11, David Levin wrote: > Problem > Although the default search provider may have a significant impact on a > user’s web experience, it isn’t easy for users to set this. > > Ideally, a search engine should be able to offer the user the ability to > easily use it as the default. Currently, t

[whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-02-14 Thread David Levin
Problem Although the default search provider may have a significant impact on a user’s web experience, it isn’t easy for users to set this. Ideally, a search engine should be able to offer the user the ability to easily use it as the default. Currently, there are two obstacles to this: 1. The sear