Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-07-03 Thread Michael(tm) Smith
Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch, 2009-07-02 04:44 +: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Kornel Lesinski wrote: The purpose of hgroup is to imply that hx is a subtitle. That's quite an indirection. An explicit element would be easier to understand: h1Dr. Strangelove/h1 subheaderOr: How I Learned to

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-07-03 Thread Kornel
On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:00, Michael(tm) Smith wrote: And it seems like introducing a new element like subheading would have the disadvantage of complicating the heading hierarchy and confusing authors about when and where to use subheading versus using h2 to h6, and also requiring that the spec

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-07-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Kornel wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 05:44, Ian Hickson wrote: That would have been another option (it wouldn't handle multiple-level subheadings well, but that's not a big deal), but I'm not really convinced it's enough of an improvement to change the way the spec is

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-07-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Kornel Lesinski wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:00:28 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I don't think hgroup will be used often enough to justify calling it just h. Ok, but what about subheader? (subtitle, tagline?) The purpose of hgroup is to imply that hx is

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-06-06 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:00:28 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I don't think hgroup will be used often enough to justify calling it just h. Ok, but what about subheader? (subtitle, tagline?) The purpose of hgroup is to imply that hx is a subtitle. That's quite an indirection. An

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-06-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 May 2009, Smylers wrote: * Are there significant cases where header needs _not_ to imply hgroup? Consider wrapping an hgroup inside every header; how many places has that broken the semantics? I could believe that most of the cases where a pager header appropriately

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-05-08 Thread Smylers
jgra...@opera.com writes: Quoting Smylers smyl...@stripey.com : James Graham writes: hgroup affects the document structure, header does not. That explains _how_ they are different (as does the spec), but not _why_ it is like that. More specifically: * Are there significant

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-05-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com wrote: I'm struggling to understand the reasons for hgroup: wouldn't one or more h1..h6 elements wrapped in the same header imply just such a grouping without the need for such an element? No longer, as header is not a sectioning

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-05-07 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Thu, 07 May 2009 16:34:21 +0100, James Graham jgra...@opera.com wrote: So, in the first example A new era of loveliness is a real section heading and the navigation becomes a subsection of that section. In the second example the hgroup element tells us that the h1 and h2 elements form a

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-05-07 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Smylers smyl...@stripey.com: James Graham writes: Bruce Lawson wrote: I'm struggling to understand the reasons for hgroup: wouldn't one or more h1..h6 elements wrapped in the same header imply just such a grouping