Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Michael Gratton wrote: But in general, I recommend against this. Anything that can be computed should be computed on the server to obtain the canonical value, otherwise you open yourself up to attackers sending you inconsistent data. While for applications

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-24 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com schrieb am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:30:21 +: In general, neither the client nor the link he communicates over should not be trusted unnecessarily. Since I had difficulties parsing that, I'll try rephrasing without using a triple negative: You wanted

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-23 Thread Michael Gratton
[Resending to the list] Le 22/02/12 09:48, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Michael Gratton wrote: This can be remedied by allowing the value of output elements to be submitted. That is, include the output element in the submittable form-associated element category. I initially

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Cameron Jones
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Michael Gratton wrote: HTML5 does not provide a means of submitting form content that is otherwise rendered as normal text, i.e. not as a form control. The use cases for this are the same as for the output

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-22 19:30, Cameron Jones wrote: Updatingoutput as form submittable element is included in a proposal to enhance http request processing under a w3c issue This sounds like a pointless attempt at enhancing a pointless element. Instead of output, authors can use, and have been able to

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Cameron Jones
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: 2012-02-22 19:30, Cameron Jones wrote: Updatingoutput  as form submittable element is included in a proposal to enhance http request processing under a w3c issue This sounds like a pointless attempt at enhancing a

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-22 20:13, Cameron Jones wrote: It [the output element] does provide a greater degree of integration with the browser though. Is this a requirement, or just assumed features of implementation? Which of the assumed benefits could not be achieved by adding a new value for the type

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Cameron Jones
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: 2012-02-22 20:13, Cameron Jones wrote: It [the output element] does provide a greater degree of integration with the browser though. Is this a requirement, or just assumed features of implementation? Which of the

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-22 20:38, Cameron Jones wrote: I'm referring to the for attribute onoutput which ties its value to the elements which went into the calculation. This would otherwise have to be done using event attributes. I don't see how that is supposed to simplify things. It's supposed to

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Michael Gratton wrote: HTML5 does not provide a means of submitting form content that is otherwise rendered as normal text, i.e. not as a form control. The use cases for this are the same as for the output element, but when it is also desirable for the result of a

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Gratton
Hi Mat, Thanks for the response. On 13/09/11 18:41, m...@matcarey.co.uk wrote: Hi Mike, I've got some concerns with that: HTML5 does not provide a means of submitting form content that is otherwise rendered as normal text I believe this is the job of CSS rather than HTML - I would say

[whatwg] including output in form submissions

2011-09-13 Thread Michael Gratton
Hi there, HTML5 does not provide a means of submitting form content that is otherwise rendered as normal text, i.e. not as a form control. The use cases for this are the same as for the output element, but when it is also desirable for the result of a calculation to be sent to the server when

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2011-09-13 Thread m...@matcarey.co.uk
Hi Mike, I've got some concerns with that: HTML5 does not provide a means of submitting form content that is otherwise rendered as normal text   I believe this is the job of CSS rather than HTML - I would say that anything due to be submitted to the server is semantically an input even if it's