[Wicket-user] Moving mailing list?

2007-06-20 Thread cowwoc
Now that Wicket is an official Apache project are there any plans for moving the mailing lists over? SourceForge's digest mode leaves a lot to be desired. Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -

[Wicket-user] Tapestry in Netbeans tutorial

2007-05-25 Thread cowwoc
http://www.netbeans.org/kb/55/quickstart-tapestry-in-netbeans.html Would be nice to have similar integration for Wicket. It is especially nice how you get to specify Tapestry as a framework your Web Project uses and it then integrates nicely throughout. Gili signature.asc Desc

Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket

2007-05-03 Thread cowwoc
I wonder why the indentation is all screwed up for the code at the bottom, the markup text looks correct to me... Gili Scott Swank wrote: > Have you seen this in the wiki? It's a reasonable start on the sort > of thing that I _think_ you're asking for. > > http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKE

[Wicket-user] Google Guice

2007-04-30 Thread cowwoc
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6068447410873108038&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU This might be of interest to Wicket and its users. I personally like their design :) Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -

Re: [Wicket-user] Classloader for selectively reload web tier

2007-04-08 Thread cowwoc
I'm not sure it's that easy or else they would have done it. In any case you should probably post to their forum instead of here :) Gili Johan Compagner wrote: > sun should first improve the method change/delete/rename/add thing that > ibm already can do. > That shouldn't be to hard beca

Re: [Wicket-user] Classloader for selectively reload web tier

2007-04-06 Thread cowwoc
Seems there might not be a full-proof fix for this problem: http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=572396&tstart=0 Gili Carlos Pita wrote: >> See wicket.protocol.http.ReloadingWicketFilter. YMMV though, as Wicket > > I will give this filter a try. I see it's included in the trun

Re: [Wicket-user] Joost uses Wicket

2007-03-12 Thread cowwoc
ion somewhere? Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > it is ok to do that (use /* mapping) if you use WicketFilter instead of > WicketServlet > > -igor > > > On 3/12/07, *cowwoc* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi Brian, > >

Re: [Wicket-user] Joost uses Wicket

2007-03-12 Thread cowwoc
ili, > > I think I did this on http://www.autoscraper.com... > > Brian > > On Mar 12, 2007, at 5:30 PM, cowwoc wrote: > >> My point is that you can't do that with Wicket, unless you know >> something I don't...? >> >> Gili >> &g

Re: [Wicket-user] Joost uses Wicket

2007-03-12 Thread cowwoc
My point is that you can't do that with Wicket, unless you know something I don't...? Gili Ryan wrote: > In any public application I deploy I remove the servlet context path > (wicket or no wicket). > > Ryan > > On 3/12/07, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Wicket-user] Joost uses Wicket

2007-03-12 Thread cowwoc
If they use Wicket why doesn't it show at all on their website at joost.com? I am expecting to at least see some evidence of a servlet context path... Gili Brian Topping wrote: > Here I thought they were cool, then they use Ant?!? > > :b > > On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:45 AM, mraible wrote:

Re: [Wicket-user] IMPORTANT: your opinion on the constructor change in2.0

2007-03-08 Thread cowwoc
components care about > this, and we provide a general solution which is onattach and ondetach, > and will not provide ten thousand other solutions that cover ten > thousand esoteric usecases users can come up with. > > just my 2c. > > -igor > > > On 3/8/07, *coww

Re: [Wicket-user] IMPORTANT: your opinion on the constructor change in2.0

2007-03-08 Thread cowwoc
t, as by then the rendering phase is reached. > > Eelco > > > On 3/8/07, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alternatively: >> >> 1) Components are POJOs. Users can define whatever constructor they want. >> >> 2) Users always use add() to

Re: [Wicket-user] IMPORTANT: your opinion on the constructor change in2.0

2007-03-08 Thread cowwoc
Alternatively: 1) Components are POJOs. Users can define whatever constructor they want. 2) Users always use add() to associate a parent with a component but you move the component wiring out of the constructor and into a onWire() method. Now, whenever the hierarchy/parent changes onWire

Re: [Wicket-user] IMPORTANT: your opinion on the constructor change in2.0

2007-03-08 Thread cowwoc
How about a hybrid system? Is there a clear-cut way to know up-front which components have an immutable parent versus others that might require it to change during rendering time? If so, couldn't you require the use of constructors that take a parent for components whose parents a

Re: [Wicket-user] IMPORTANT: your opinion on the constructor change in 2.0

2007-03-06 Thread cowwoc
Why does "code explosion" happen as a consequence of the constructor change? Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > pros: > > * free to call any method in the constructor like getpage(), urlfor(), etc. > > * access to markup attributes in constructor as opposed to render time > > * fail at compo

Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket dev job in the LA Area

2007-02-22 Thread cowwoc
Ugh! Sorry for mistakenly posting this to the entire list :( Gili cowwoc wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I apologize if you get this email twice, as a power-out knocked out my > computer the last time I sent this out so I'm not sure whether you got > it or not :) >

Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket-contrib-javaee 1.0 release

2007-01-23 Thread cowwoc
Any JPA library in the works? Specifically I am looking for a replacement for wicket-stuff-hibernate-3.0 Gili Filippo Diotalevi wrote: > Hi, >just a quick post to announce that tonight I've released the first > public version of wicket-contrib-javaee (1.0), a module for Wicket > that

Re: [Wicket-user] Interesting alternatives to Hibernate

2006-11-28 Thread cowwoc
Anyone ever look into Mr. Persister? Is it any good? http://www.jenkov.com/mrpersister/introduction.tmpl Thanks, Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Fu

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
Thank you :) So assuming bookmarkable forms are 100% solved in Wicket 2.0 I think this covers all bases. Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: >> For example, if you go to Amazon, add some book to your cart do >> "checkout" and copy/paste that the URL into someone else's browser it'll >> r

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
Eelco, one of the points I tried making (and seemed to have gotten lost in the loop) is this: 1) User is viewing a non-bookmarkable page http://www.google.com/Main/Start?wicket:interface=:0:: but wicket displays http://www.google.com/Start in his URL bar instead (not sure if this is techn

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
When Wicket 2.0 is released and I can use bookmarkable forms I will quite gladly use it. I am simply pointing out the problems with the current design. BTW, Wicket 2.0 does completely solve this, right? Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: >> I think you're missing a very important use-ca

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
et huge? > > or do you only restrict component properties to primitives? > > -igor > > > > On 11/22/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > heh, if I had to choose between: > > http://www.goo

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
start.html page in two browsers windows? > Or don't your users do that? The additional information in url is not > there for fun. There is a good reason for that. > > And give us some time, after the refactor planed for 2.0 it should be > possible to get rid of the "wicket&quo

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
ebapplications you make > with wicket. > > johan > > > On 11/22/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > heh, if I had to choose between: > > http://www.google.com/Start.html > >

Re: [Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-22 Thread cowwoc
; And also, does the Tapestry 5 finally supports dynamically changing > components hierarchy? Or nested components? Or is it still the [1]page > [0..n]Components approach? > > In Wicket the URLs will look much better in 2.0 than they look now - as > we will persist the mount path afte

[Wicket-user] Tapestry 5 instantaneous reloads

2006-11-21 Thread cowwoc
Two questions about: http://howardlewisship.com/blog/2006/10/tapestry-5-screencast-2.html 1) How did they get "instantaneous" page reloads working? 2) How did they get their URLs to remain "nice" even though the underlying state is changing? and what is the implications for Wicke

Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

2006-11-21 Thread cowwoc
binder.net <http://databinder.net> is around > > -igor > > > On 11/21/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > James McLaughlin wrote: > > wicket-contrib-auth-class-roles cowwoc > > wicket-

Re: [Wicket-user] DropDownChoice.onSelectionChanged() and Form button

2006-11-15 Thread cowwoc
attribute "name" also equal to "submit". It would be nice if Wicket would be smart enough to avoid these kinds of reserved words, especially in light of how confusing the error message is :) Gili cowwoc wrote: > Hi, > > If I have a form with a single D

[Wicket-user] DropDownChoice.onSelectionChanged() and Form button

2006-11-15 Thread cowwoc
Hi, If I have a form with a single DropDownChoice with a onSelectionChanged listener then it gets invoked fine when I change the selection. The moment I add a "Submit" button into the form alongside the DropDownChoice, then the event no longer gets fired when I change the selection. FireFo

[Wicket-user] [Fwd: Emory Utilities]

2006-11-03 Thread cowwoc
Cross-post from the JINI mailing list that might be of some interest to the wicket development team. Can't you use this to fix the JAR reloading problem you discussed earlier? Gili Original Message Seems like some of these classes (especially the URIClassLoader that fix

Re: [Wicket-user] Nice Url

2006-10-19 Thread cowwoc
What about bookmarkable pages containing Forms? Is this still in the works? Gili Korbinian Bachl wrote: > Hi, > > yes it is possible, look here for detailed: > http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t68753.html > > you can then provide parameters via the PageParameter param - if this

Re: [Wicket-user] wicket-stuff commit rights

2006-10-16 Thread cowwoc
resolve it. Gili cowwoc wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > I wanted to commit some updated to the wicket-contrib-auth-class-roles > module which I am the author of but SVN won't accept my sourceforge > username/password. Is it possible my commit rights went away again? > Please v

[Wicket-user] wicket-stuff commit rights

2006-10-16 Thread cowwoc
ommit the changes. The username is "cowwoc" Thanks, Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with

[Wicket-user] wicket-contrib-data-ejb3

2006-10-16 Thread cowwoc
Hi, There exists a module called wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0. Are there plans for releasing wicket-contrib-data-ejb3 in the near future? I know Cheeser was working on one but I don't know how far along it is. Thanks, Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -

Re: [Wicket-user] JBOSS Reload Classes

2006-10-06 Thread cowwoc
uh :) I understand he mentioned he's having issues with JBOSS but baring that I would agree with him that developing under one platform and deploying into another is asking for trouble. Jetty can't possibly behave 100% like your target platform. I personally use Netbeans with Tomc

Re: [Wicket-user] Re : Session.get() behaviour

2006-08-26 Thread cowwoc
I'm in favor of Session.get() returning null in 2.0, if not earlier. You could add exists() in 1.3 and deprecate it in 2.0. Gili Frank Bille wrote: > I guess it would be more like a Session.exists() :) > > +1 for that. it's backportable. > > Frank > > > On 8/26/06, *Jaime De La Jara*

Re: [Wicket-user] Javaref.com

2006-08-23 Thread cowwoc
I personally dislike their UI. The technology might be nice and well but they need some UI guy to clean things up. Just my 2 cents. Gili Nathan Hamblen wrote: > Take a look, if you haven't already: it's VERY well done. And it's done > in Tapestry. Yay for second-gen Web frameworks, or so

Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket J5EE combo?

2006-08-01 Thread cowwoc
There are some related blogs here: http://blogs.sun.com/geertjan Gili Ayodeji Aladejebi wrote: > please, > > who has successfully implemented these combo > > Glassfish + EJB3 + Wicket + NB5.5anyone with some quick start for these > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Wicket-user] [Spam] Re: CSS background images

2006-08-01 Thread cowwoc
Upon first glance, looks good ;) Maybe you guys should roll it up into core Gili Al Maw wrote: > Igor Vaynberg wrote: >> i guess it is not something that we support right now, but something >> that is cleary needed. we need to build a resource that can load a css >> file, parse for ima

Re: [Wicket-user] apache wicket?

2006-07-29 Thread cowwoc
I have similar questions. I generally perceive Apache as the place open-source projects go to die :) Let's just say I've never really been awe inspired by any of their stuff. As such is this a step forward or backward? SVN, Jira, Confluence sure are nice but keep in mind there are more tha

Re: [Wicket-user] How to customize multiple validate message in ListView ?

2006-06-29 Thread cowwoc
Ah! Would this also work for what I just posted too? Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > if you do textfield.setLabel(new ResourceModel("label.field1")) and > define validator message as ${label} is required which it already is > defined like that i think you will get the desired message with ke

Re: [Wicket-user] How to customize multiple validate message in ListView ?

2006-06-29 Thread cowwoc
I also ran into similar problems. I had a NumberValidator and the default message was: '0' is not in the range 1-65535 (limits which I had set), which is nice and all but it would be nice if it mentioned which field contained the invalid value instead. For example, I would have preferred a

[Wicket-user] Button and its model

2006-06-29 Thread cowwoc
Hi, I'd like to pass in a non-String model into a Button so I can use it for onSubmit() but then the Button text ends up being crap (hashcode of the model object). I can workaround this issue using an AttributeModifier("value") but this seems like a hack to me that might break in future ve

Re: [Wicket-user] wicket emailaddress validation incorrect

2006-06-21 Thread cowwoc
Instead of using some super long regex why not code the logic by hand (the old fashion way without regex). I find that often the resulting code is easier to read and in this case it might actually turn out to be shorter. Maybe :) Gili Frank Bille Jensen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:

Re: [Wicket-user] Is there a shuttle(?) component?

2006-05-31 Thread cowwoc
There seems to be a bug in this example. I select the last entry, and keep on clicking on the first button. Eventually, it moves the entry from the right side to the left, even though I am clicking on the arrow pointing from left to right. I am expecting the entry to remain on the right. C

Re: [Wicket-user] Prettier page for new Wicket-related open source project

2006-05-30 Thread cowwoc
Very cool! I especially like the refactoring support and detection of mismatches between HTML and Java code. Keep up the good work! :) Gili Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > Hi all, > > Take a look: > > https://nbwicketsupport.dev.java.net/ > > Gj > > > -

Re: [Wicket-user] weird javascript header

2006-05-26 Thread cowwoc
Johan, I am fairly sure I told you guys to use: */ notice you use // instead of /* */ which is incorrect and might be responsible for this problem. Gili Johan Compagner wrote: > this is what we did get from the people who wants there pages completely > xhtml. > Because plain ja

Re: [Wicket-user] Reverse Ajax

2006-05-25 Thread cowwoc
Darn it ;) This is like slashdot.org -- it's impossible to post first! :) Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > too late > > http://www.nabble.com/Wicket+1.2+released%21-t1673750.html#a4548599 > > -Igor > > > On 5/25/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

[Wicket-user] Reverse Ajax

2006-05-25 Thread cowwoc
Article that may be of interest to the Wicket team: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=40650 Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Spam] Re: [Wicket-user] ENABLING WAR: Celebrity Christians and the realDa vinci Code

2006-05-23 Thread cowwoc
Why buy the book when I can summarize it for you for free? Executive summary: "It's a conspiracy! (isn't everything?) Jews control the world! Join us in finding new creative ways to blame them for all our problems so we can murder more of them." Man, I'm tired of this sor

Re: [Wicket-user] ENABLING WAR: Celebrity Christians and the real Da vinci Code

2006-05-22 Thread cowwoc
Can you guys add some sort of Capcha authentication to the mailing list subscription so we don't get this sort of "antisemitism by spam" in the future? Thanks, Gili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Reply-To: cecarl > > http://straitgateministry.net/ > 345-page ONE NATION UNDER ISRAEL Almost F

[Wicket-user] Google Web Toolkit

2006-05-17 Thread cowwoc
I'm sure by now you've all heard of http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ I was wondering if this would help with any back button issues in Wicket? http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/documentation/com.google.gwt.user.client.History.html I have no decent background in AJAX so

[Wicket-user] HibernateDatabaseObject null patch

2006-05-01 Thread cowwoc
Just curious: Long already supports null, why add this -1 hack? Gili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Revision: 698 > Author: jonathanlocke > Date: 2006-05-01 13:49:22 -0700 (Mon, 01 May 2006) > ViewCVS: http://svn.sourceforge.net/wicket-stuff/?rev=698&view=rev > > Log Message: > -

Re: [Wicket-user] Links to images and .css

2006-04-27 Thread cowwoc
What does it mean to namespace it in the context of Wicket? Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > there is already a plan to namespace that directory for v2, or so i thought. > > -Igor > > > On 4/27/06, *cowwoc* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailt

Re: [Wicket-user] Links to images and .css

2006-04-27 Thread cowwoc
Personally, I dislike how Wicket prevents the use of "reserved paths" such as /resources. There should be a better way, somehow. Why not let users bind whatever resources they want to /resources and if Wicket (or another user-call) tries binding to that same path you throw an exce

[Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-21 Thread cowwoc
I vote in favor of renaming setUseOptimizedItemRemoval() to setReuseItems() because I feel it is more descriptive of what it actually does. What do the rest of you think? Thanks, Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Wicket-user] proposal: internationalization project

2006-04-20 Thread cowwoc
Wouldn't Wiki be easier? Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the recent inputs of Application_x.properties. However, I > now realize that we need more than just a one time contribution. > > I think internationalization is a strong point for Wicket, and we > should keep

Re: [Wicket-user] WebPage generated script problem

2006-04-18 Thread cowwoc
Like I said, I've never had any problems with text/html with the CDATA blocks I mentioned. Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: > On 4/18/06, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I personally think this is much ado about nothing. I've used >> text/html for a long

Re: [Wicket-user] WebPage generated script problem

2006-04-18 Thread cowwoc
uture, I'll just fix it ;) Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: > Maybe I misread, but it looks like you have to follow a different path > according to the doctype statement? > > Eelco > > On 4/18/06, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Reference: http://hixie.ch

Re: [Wicket-user] WebPage generated script problem

2006-04-18 Thread cowwoc
Reference: http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml So... */ Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: > So, > > Index: > /Users/eelcohillenius/Documents/workspace/wicket/src/java/wicket/util/string/JavascriptUtils.java > === > --- > /

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-12 Thread cowwoc
Wicket has to take *some* responsibility for this mess. Other web frameworks are not nearly as Session-dependent as Wicket, so it makes more sense for it to handle this automatically if possible. Gili Nathan Hamblen wrote: > Right, manually. I think the only problem here is that Wicket d

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-12 Thread cowwoc
It's taking the original workaround idea and moving it further along. I think it's a good idea. But we need to find out the impact of a page's outgoing links being reduced and pointing to the same "#" url. Will it decrease the PageRank? There are pseudo calculations out there that tell you

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-11 Thread cowwoc
Using robots.txt isn't really an option because correctly all Wicket pages require a Session. You are right that all these suggestions are nothing more than workarounds and ideally we should be deferring Session creation inside Wicket... somehow :) Gili Michael Day wrote: > On Apr 11, 20

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-11 Thread cowwoc
I think you're being overeager here. There is no good reason for disallowing normal users with cookies disabled to not use URL rewriting. Stripping JSESSIONID *only* for crawlers still sounds like the best workaround/hack to me. Gili Nathan Hamblen wrote: > cowwoc wrote: >>

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-11 Thread cowwoc
Doesn't 1.2 already contain substantial API breakage? Gili Eelco Hillenius wrote: > I think it is possible, but as you can read from Martijn's reply and > the issue I created for this just today, not for this release, as it > means an API break. > > See (and track) > http://sourceforge.

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-11 Thread cowwoc
The problem is that: 1) GoogleBot will hit the same page with different JSESSIONID each time. It'll think that these are different pages and lower your page rank because (from its point of view) your website contains different page URLs with the same content (looks like you're trying to t

Re: [Wicket-user] Re: zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-11 Thread cowwoc
Off the top of my head, because you are likely using an older version of Wicket where we did not encode the URL. I believe that was a bug ;) The most current version always encodes the URL. Remember, if you do not encode the URL, you risk losing the session without warning. Gili Michael

Re: [Wicket-user] zero session state/stateless pages

2006-04-10 Thread cowwoc
Just to clarify... 1) It makes no sense to expect Googlebot to retain a session (contains PageMap, etc) for stateless pages because multiple bots hit the website at the same time in a non-linear order. If we try to force some sort of linear state on Google it might end up with "Page is ex

[Wicket-user] wicket-xhtml1-strict.dtd

2006-03-30 Thread cowwoc
Hi, Is this file (included in the root directory in SVN) functional or is it a work in progress? Is there a reason none of the example code seems to use it? Thanks, Gili signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Wicket-user] FrameworkSettings.getVersion() seems to be buggy

2006-03-30 Thread cowwoc
+1 Gili Gwyn Evans wrote: > I thought we were going to be reading this from the MANIFEST.MF in the > wicket jar? > > /Gwyn > > On 30/03/06, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If it is internal, why read it from a property file at all? Why isn

Re: [Wicket-user] FrameworkSettings.getVersion() seems to be buggy

2006-03-30 Thread cowwoc
If it is internal, why read it from a property file at all? Why isn't this hard-coded into the code? Gili Igor Vaynberg wrote: > i dont see a problem with having a wicket-internal.properties. this can > be used for all the internal things we use, version now, and maybe some > other stuff

Re: [Wicket-user] users: your opinions please!

2006-03-27 Thread cowwoc
but isn't the point of info()/error() that the feedback goes into the webpage in response to user input? So if he puts in invalid data, you info("Password must be longer than 6 characters") for example... Gili David Leangen wrote: I generally use commons logging. I understand that some of

[Wicket-user] Bug #4950148: ClassLoader should have an explicit disposal mechanism

2006-03-27 Thread cowwoc
FYI, I've brought up this issue with the appropriate people at Sun and it has been tentatively scheduled for Java7. Also, it is my understanding that the evaluation will be updated in a few days. Gili --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by