Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-05 Thread Vincent Jenks
be easily replaced each time I use it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent Jenks Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:49 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ... Oh yeah, just jokes, .NE

RE: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-05 Thread Frank Silbermann
constructors, and with methods that can be easily replaced each time I use it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent Jenks Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:49 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] The other side

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Vincent Jenks
Oh yeah, just jokes, .NET is a pretty great technology...though it still requires far more work than the EJB3+Wicket combo. MS's tools are great, they have a snazzy IDE...but I still prefer Eclipse...perhaps because of its open nature and breadth of industry support both pro & amateur. The tools

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 5/4/06, Vincent Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't hear great things about Struts! My experience w/ Java/J2EE/Java EE before wicket was Servlets+JSP+Hibernate (and JDBC), and I've only been doing Java for about a year. I had made a living off of Microsoft technologies for years prior t

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
MVC is not Struts! (MVC is *much* older.) I wouldn't even say that Struts is MVC. You might even argue that Swing isn't the MVC as it was proposed. But yeah, that's why I try to keep calling those frameworks 'model 2' instead. Eelco --- Usin

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Timo Stamm
Frank Silbermann schrieb: My great hope is that Wicket can provide great productivity and power to people who have a true mastery of object-oriented techniques, raising their pay and status above that of ordinary code-monkeys and API-memorizers. My great fear is that the market will reject Wicke

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Timo Stamm
Johan Compagner schrieb: and doing all of this while training a new developer who just joined the company and is not familiar w/ Java, Wicket, or even web apps development in general. lucky you!!! because they are not completely infected by the mvc (struts) way of working! MVC is not Struts!

RE: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Frank Silbermann
-oriented code-monkeys won't be able to use it. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent Jenks Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:41 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ... I don&#

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Vincent Jenks
I don't hear great things about Struts! My experience w/ Java/J2EE/Java EE before wicket was Servlets+JSP+Hibernate (and JDBC), and I've only been doing Java for about a year. I had made a living off of Microsoft technologies for years prior to that, specifically C# and the .NET framework. I gu

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Johan Compagner
and doing all of this while training a new developer who just joinedthe company and is not familiar w/ Java, Wicket, or even web apps development in general.lucky you!!! because they are not completely infected by the mvc (struts) way of working!Because that would be much worse :)johan

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Vincent Jenks
> > > > I am just wondering how other frameworks handle this problem and why it seems more difficult in Wicket? Would Wicket fit in well as a Web presentation layer for an application using EJB3 (including JPA)? i believe Vincent is working with ejb3 so maybe he can tell you about his experience

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
like when you work with session replication in clusters, it is the HttpSession implementation that does this. Erm, not necesarily true, but at least something outside Wicket generally. Eelco --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to sup

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
For the other questions, see Igor's reply. I've worked with WebObjects and therein a session is sent the awake() message before the request-response loop begins, and the sleep() message after the r-r loop finishes. I guess these inherited methods could include code to serialise the session, but

Re: [Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On 5/4/06, Ashley Aitken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Howdy All,I've been reading more about Wicket, particularly its integration with non-presentation aspects of an Enterprise application, e.g. the application and persistence layers.   I've read about the Wicket-Spring integration, and the LazyInitP

[Wicket-user] The other side of Wicket ...

2006-05-04 Thread Ashley Aitken
Howdy All,I've been reading more about Wicket, particularly its integration with non-presentation aspects of an Enterprise application, e.g. the application and persistence layers.  I've read about the Wicket-Spring integration, and the LazyInitProxy - where a Wicket session keeps an injected proxy