Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-21 Thread Peter Blaha
People with experience know what U you should use (at least the range of reasonable values). You can also calculate U (see our web-site), but the calculated U values are often too large. Since you do not tell us which system you have, we cannot help you. But for sure bigger values of U than 8 eV

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-20 Thread Zaid
Dear Sir, you are right. Experimental band gap for my compound is 2.0eV. The maximum band gap on increasing U value for my calculation is 1.117eV at 10 eV. So, should I increase U value beyond 10eV ? Untill now from my literature review, the value of U is less than 10 eV. Secondly, if suppose a

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-20 Thread Hong Jiang
Hi, The Hubbard U correction in LDA/GGA+U is to correct the failure of LDA/GGA to describe localized d- or f-states. Therefore LDA/GGA+U is able to give an accurate band gap only if the band gap of your system happens to be of d-d or f-f character, which, however, not the case for most

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-20 Thread Zaid
Dear Sir H. Jiang I implemented GGA+U to my considered compound, keeping in mind that GGA+U is valuable for compounds having strongly correlated system (like in d and f orbitals). But My problem is regarding the selection of U value. Experimental band gap for my compound is 2.0eV. The maximum

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-20 Thread tran
You can try larger U to see what happens, but values above 10 or 12 eV start to be unphysical in solids. Also, the more the top of the valence band or bottom of conduction band has an important contribution not coming from the d or f electrons (e.g., oxygen-p), the less GGA+U will be efficient to

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-20 Thread Zaid
thanks a lot Sir for your guidance. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at wrote: You can try larger U to see what happens, but values above 10 or 12 eV start to be unphysical in solids. Also, the more the top of the valence band or bottom of conduction band has an

[Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-19 Thread Zaid
Respected Users I am applying GGA+U technique to considered compounds. In order to select proper value of U for specific material, I am changing the value of U from 2eV to 10eV with a step of 1eV. I was expecting that on increasing U value in the range 2-10eV, a value of U will appear where the

Re: [Wien] Confusion in Selecting proper value of Hubbard potential.

2013-07-19 Thread tran
Hi, I have never heard that the proper value of U is the one when the band gap starts to decrease. Usually the value of U is chosen such that the calculated properties (e.g., band gap or magnetic moment) agree with experiment. F. Tran On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Zaid wrote: Respected Users I am