Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

2015-08-03 Thread Jane Darnell
Kerry< To answer your point about "basic categorisation of the nature of edits" I have two words for you: Revision Scoring Aaron's last mail had the link. As for your (and others') AWB edits, think of it as creating "findability". Creating findability of content is at least as important as creating

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

2015-08-03 Thread Kerry Raymond
Yes, I've seen X-tools and it's a good start in terms of breaking down Articles vs Category vs Talk, but I was looking for something a bit more nuanced in relation to the nature of edits to articles. For example, does adding a category to an article count as an Article edit or a Category edit? I'm

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Kerry Raymond
>From doing edit training myself, I would say that there really are technical >impediments particularly for older people (and I say that as a retired person >so I’m not that young either). I only get to do “one-shot” training (typically >half day, sometimes full day) and I think a one-shot works

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

2015-08-03 Thread Pine W
Hi Kerry, IMO, edit count is a mediocre indicator of an editor's added value to Wikimedia. I think that more prominent display of more sophisticated measures for evaluating the value of an editor's contributions would be helpful. Snuggle is a tool that helps with this, and awhile back I recall dis

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

2015-08-03 Thread Kerry Raymond
How old is the account making an average edit? What is this graph really telling us? While I understand what is being plotted, I am not sure I know what it really means. Every year the age of the “average editor” gets 6 months older. Of course as time passes, our average editor gets older. That

[Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

2015-08-03 Thread masssly
The July 2015 issue of the Wikimedia Research Newsletter is out: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/08/03/research-newsletter-july-2015/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2015/July In this issue: 1 Wikipedia as an example of collective intelligence 2 #Wikipedia and Twitter 3

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Jane Darnell
A quick comment on the Editor culture graph: I think that the argument "too technical" as a reason to quit is just an excuse (all things being equal to being a non-vision-impaired person who can for example successfully execute internet banking tasks). When the payoff is a revert, you will quickl

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Looking for stats of registered Wikipedians

2015-08-03 Thread Srijan Kumar
Hi! Thanks everyone for their help and suggestions. I was pointed to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:New_editor which is an extensive research on the topic and has exactly the information I was looking for! Thanks srijan On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Leila Zia wrote: > Hi Srijan, > >

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Aaron Halfaker
+1 I've been working with James Hare (WikiProject X) to use the revision scoring system to support their work. Their bot is actually pulling scores from our service right now. :) Also +1 for Wikiprojects as entry points for newcomers. I've been pitching a WikiProject recommender service for a w

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Pine W
Hi Aaron, Thanks, those sound like good ideas for better quality control and mentoring/socialization pathways. Are there opportunities to coordinate your work on counter-vandalism tools and empowering wikiprojects into the work that others are doing with wikiprojects, such as "Wikiproject X

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Aaron Halfaker
Hey folks, I'm glad the presentation came across so well. I really appreciate the discussion. Pine, I really appreciate those plots that you linked. It seems that you can identify the progression through barrier types by following the hexagonal graphs clockwise. Concerns start with complex rul

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Jane Darnell
OK I am replying to this mail, as this one has the link to Youtube in it with the two presentations. I am only responding to the first presentation by Aaron here. In general I like the idea of focussing attention on the "New Editor Activation Funnel". This area is of course the reason why we have

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for posting your feedback. I also watched the video but my takeaways were so different from yours that I am tempted to rewatch the whole thing before responding. I do recall thinking that Aaron's presentation was significantly less boring than the student one, but that the students had a few

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Pine W
Just a couple of graphs to further inform discussion. These are based on a 2012 survey, prior to the launch of VisualEditor. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Editor_culture.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edit_solution.png Pine On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Pine W wrote:

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

2015-08-03 Thread Pine W
I watched the video, in which Aaron did discuss social and motivational barriers as being more complex and difficult to solve than technical issues with VisualEditor. I liked the questions that Aaron asked ("Did you make friends? Did you find the work rewarding? Did you identify with the community