Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-03 Thread h
Don't know whether the donations will "grow in proportion to the median income of internet users". Need first to see whether any data set is available (ideally for all countries in the world). Not sure if there is a good one for "the median income of internet users". This, however, raises the issu

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-03 Thread James Salsman
Han-Teng Liao wrote: >... > I hope that the Wikimedia foundation budget grows in proportion > with the number of Internet users, and the average donations > remains the same (inflation-adjusted). Do you think donations will grow in proportion to the median income of internet users? That measure is

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-03 Thread h
Hello everyone, I am jumping in this conversation with the aim to put any estimation and/or forecasting in relative terms. I personally think it is slightly more fruitful and productive to ask the proportion and/or share of Wikimedia foundation in Internet economy as a non-profit. With this

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread James Salsman
>> I wish someone would please replicate my measurement of >> the variance in the distribution of fundraising results using >> the editor-submitted banners from 2008-9, and explain to the >> fundraising team that distribution implies they can do a whole >> lot better When are they going to test

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 2 January 2015 at 18:14, James Salsman wrote: > >... This is not a discussion for research-l > > On the contrary, please see e.g. > http://www.wikisym.org/os2014-files/proceedings/p609.pdf > this Foundation-sponsored IEG effort can serve as a confirmatory > replication of that prior work. > L

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread James Salsman
>>... here are a couple illustrations of some reasons I > believe a ten year extrapolation of Foundation fundraising > is completely reasonable: http://imgur.com/a/mV72T > > Words tend to be more useful than contextless images. I meant that the very sharply declining cost of solar (and wind) energ

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Taha Yasseri
Dear all, Happy new year. I'm very sorry and with all due respect, I'm guessing this is getting a bit off-topic. Let me kindly remind that this is the Wiki-research mailing list. Thanks and have a wonderful year ahead! .Taha On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Denny V

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Denny Vrandečić, 02/01/2015 21:17: I have one or two ideas about what to do with 3 billion US Dollar. It would be a huge step towards some of my stretch goals for the movement. :) 3 billions are not that much money, for instance they're only enough to pay 6 months of operating costs of a poor

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 2 January 2015 at 15:08, James Salsman wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > >... Extrapolation is not a particularly useful method to use for > > the budget, because it assumes endless exponential growth. > > I agree. Formal budgeting usually shouldn't extend further than three > to five years i

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I have one or two ideas about what to do with 3 billion US Dollar. It would be a huge step towards some of my stretch goals for the movement. On Fri Jan 02 2015 at 12:08:43 PM James Salsman wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > >... Extrapolation is not a particularly useful method to use for > > t

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread James Salsman
Oliver Keyes wrote: > >... Extrapolation is not a particularly useful method to use for > the budget, because it assumes endless exponential growth. I agree. Formal budgeting usually shouldn't extend further than three to five years in the nonprofit sector (long-term budgeting is unavoidable in go

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
Bah; dropped a digit when reading the y-axis. My bad. My concerns about straight extrapolation for this model remain, however. On 2 January 2015 at 11:31, Oliver Keyes wrote: > 3 billion being...above the upper bound of the extrapolation you've made? > Uh-huh. > > Extrapolation is not a particul

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
3 billion being...above the upper bound of the extrapolation you've made? Uh-huh. Extrapolation is not a particularly useful method to use for the budget, because it assumes endless exponential growth. I can see the budget increasing due to us increasingly taking on the responsibilities we've prev

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is known that education is a great way to eradicate poverty. We know that Wikipedia brings information and is educational. When the effect of "your" 3 billion dollar brings education and effectively helps to eradicate poverty it is well worth it. No irony intended. Thanks, GerardM O

[Wiki-research-l] Fwd: $55 million raised in 2014

2015-01-02 Thread James Salsman
In ten years time, I predict the Foundation will raise $3 billion: http://i.imgur.com/hdoAIan.jpg -- Forwarded message -- From: James Salsman Date: Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 9:01 PM Subject: $55 million raised in 2014 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Happy new year: http://i.imgur.com/faP