Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-12-08 Thread David Goodman
The simplest way of learning wikicode (at least for those not previously familiar with html) is by imitation. When writing new articles, people at editothons understand the idea very easily. Making changes in existing article is another matter: if that's the goal, VE works better. (and I say that

Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread Pine W
Just noting that there are ongoing discussions on Lila's (not Leila's) talk page about the relative merits of Flow, wikimarkup, VE, improved wikimarkup, or some mix of options for talk pages: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF) Pine On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Leila Z

Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread Leila Zia
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Aaron Halfaker ran a study of whether VE affected new editor retention in > May: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/May_2015_study > > He didn't find any difference in short term s

Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank you for sharing your very illuminating thoughts, Kerry. Indeed it should be the most compelling advantage of the VE that people after a while of inactivity don't have to learn wikicode again. I am curious how research will tackle the multiplicity of factors involved. The newbies assuming that

Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread Kerry Raymond
On the edit training session front, I can report on the sample size of 1 VE edit training session in mid August, where the two trainees both aged 60+ took to editing relatively quickly in under an hour, which compares favourably with the half day to a day it often takes to cover the same ground

Re: [Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Aaron Halfaker ran a study of whether VE affected new editor retention in May: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/May_2015_study He didn't find any difference in short term survival or productivity between VE and wikitext. That said, you sh

[Wiki-research-l] New editor retention rates Visual Editor vs Wikitext

2015-11-03 Thread john cummings
Hi all Does anyone know of any information on editor retention rates based on whether the person used Visual Editor or Wikitext? I'm sure there are many ways you could explore this subject, my specific interest is when running editor training would it be better to teach people to use VE or wikite